Nom de plume Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 7 minutes ago, snowman said: 186 people land at the airport. let's say 8.30pm. how long would it take to process 186 people ? how many people to undertake the tests? what happens with tests done at that time of night / storage / processing. all questions that need to be answered if the regime is to test arrivals you could also apply the above to the boat arrivals. 600 people on a sunday night at 10pm. imagine people moaning they dont get to their destination until midnight ! They don’t have to go. That is their choice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 36 minutes ago, snowman said: 186 people land at the airport. let's say 8.30pm. how long would it take to process 186 people ? how many people to undertake the tests? what happens with tests done at that time of night / storage / processing. all questions that need to be answered if the regime is to test arrivals you could also apply the above to the boat arrivals. 600 people on a sunday night at 10pm. imagine people moaning they dont get to their destination until midnight ! How do Jersey manage then with a lot more arrivals than us and ferry from France & UK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Banker said: How do Jersey manage then with a lot more arrivals than us and ferry from France & UK? Honest answer? They fly by the seat of their pants. If they get overwhelmed they just send people on their way with an admonition to isolate and turn up the next day. Numbers of the boats or planes haven’t been high. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 (edited) 30 minutes ago, John Wright said: Numbers of the boats or planes haven’t been high. There are still very few people travelling on public transport by any means, even within the UK. I think it really is largely just essential journeys. It's a very long way back to where it was. https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/transport-use-during-the-coronavirus-covid-19-pandemic Edited July 23, 2020 by woolley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nom de plume Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, John Wright said: Honest answer? They fly by the seat of their pants. If they get overwhelmed they just send people on their way with an admonition to isolate and turn up the next day. Numbers of the boats or planes haven’t been high. So you're implying Jersey are playing fast & loose with the rules yet their case numbers are not manifesting into a second wave. Nearly there fella, the penny will drop soon ;0) Edited July 23, 2020 by Nom de plume Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, Nom de plume said: So you're implying Jersey are playing fast & loose with the rules yet their case numbers are not manifesting into a second wave. Nearly there fella, the penny will drop soon ;0) Not implying anything. I’m stating facts. Im all in favour of relaxation of entry restriction and testing, with supervised isolation. Traveller to pay for tests. Im hoping to travel after mid August. All booked last November. Transport won’t change dates or refund. Entering Greece twice for transit ( 5 hours each time ). Greece requires PCR tests no more than 72 hours old. Private clinics are charging €150 a pop. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Howie question What level met to reach level 3 of border policy Quite simply, a 1-in-5,000 (or better) transmission rate of the virus in the UK. which is same as Guernsey to fully reopen borders, so will be interesting if airbridge going, just go to Guernsey and then UK and back without any quarantine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Banker said: Howie question What level met to reach level 3 of border policy Quite simply, a 1-in-5,000 (or better) transmission rate of the virus in the UK. which is same as Guernsey to fully reopen borders, so will be interesting if airbridge going, just go to Guernsey and then UK and back without any quarantine! Transmission or infection rate? Different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Well ours is transmission rate as per Howie although first time any target given, Guernsey say Public Health target is a prevalence of 1 in 5000 or less on two consecutive points in time with the anticipated implementation of changes on the 1st of September if these criteria are met. Not sure what difference is ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 43 minutes ago, Banker said: Well ours is transmission rate as per Howie although first time any target given, Guernsey say Public Health target is a prevalence of 1 in 5000 or less on two consecutive points in time with the anticipated implementation of changes on the 1st of September if these criteria are met. Not sure what difference is ? Transmission rate is R, isn’t it The number of people an infected person passes the infection on to. R less than one means the infection numbers going down. Infection rate is the number of new cases per day, or rolling average over a three, or more day, period, per head of population. At least that is how I read it. Is a prevalence rate the same as either, or is it the number of persons with active Covid, per head of population. And do you measure affected persons as recovering after 14 or 28 days? Today in UK it was 445 new cases in 66,500,000. You can do the maths yourself. Yes it’s good to have a parameter, but what it actually is is as clear as mud. Paging @wrighty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundy Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Does any one know if it is permitted for Manx residents to enter Ireland, travelling via BMC into Belfast, and driving across the border? thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 5 hours ago, John Wright said: Transmission rate is R, isn’t it The number of people an infected person passes the infection on to. R less than one means the infection numbers going down. Infection rate is the number of new cases per day, or rolling average over a three, or more day, period, per head of population. At least that is how I read it. Is a prevalence rate the same as either, or is it the number of persons with active Covid, per head of population. And do you measure affected persons as recovering after 14 or 28 days? Today in UK it was 445 new cases in 66,500,000. You can do the maths yourself. Yes it’s good to have a parameter, but what it actually is is as clear as mud. Paging @wrighty R is the reproduction number. Less than one means eventually the epidemic dies down. The 1:5000 refers to the prevalence of the infection, ie how many people have it at a point in time. This is different from incidence which is how many people get it in a given time period - new cases per week for example. ONS estimate the prevalence based on a survey of several thousand people who are swab tested. It was down to 1:3900, but last result was 1:2200. You can estimate it based on number of new cases, but this doesn’t account for ones that don’t get symptoms or tested. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 12 hours ago, Roundy said: Does any one know if it is permitted for Manx residents to enter Ireland, travelling via BMC into Belfast, and driving across the border? thanks! it might have been till you highlighted it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Newbie Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 Over 2,000 due go away and come back. That will really have some folk running for that shack in the hills. But the borders are closed !!! We’re all going to die !!! https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/more-than-2000-have-registered-for-manx-entry-permits/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Rushen Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 42 minutes ago, WTF said: it might have been till you highlighted it. No problem IOM and NI are on the Irish Green list. U.K. is not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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