IOM Covid removing restrictions

[Banker]

2 minutes ago, CowMan said:

You can’t be so sure which is why a fully independent investigation is required at the earliest opportunity. 

Don't worry Howie has asked Will Greenhow to look into the matter!

[Gladys]

Just now, CowMan said:

You can’t be so sure which is why a fully independent investigation is required at the earliest opportunity. 

Well, I said probably and only an independent investigation will reveal that .  But, on what we know,  it looks like everyone thought the crew were doing what they should have been doing, but on closer examination it would seem that what one side thought had to happen was not the same as the other side expected to happen.  So, the index case (poor bugger) probably did exactly what he should have done, just like he had been doing since last March. 

[buncha wankas]

2 minutes ago, Gladys said:

Well, I said probably and only an independent investigation will reveal that .  But, on what we know,  it looks like everyone thought the crew were doing what they should have been doing, but on closer examination it would seem that what one side thought had to happen was not the same as the other side expected to happen.  So, the index case (poor bugger) probably did exactly what he should have done, just like he had been doing since last March. 

Was not called a human error or mistake when DHSC were pursuing Abbotswood with the finger of blame.  

[Gladys]

3 minutes ago, buncha wankas said:

Was not called a human error or mistake when DHSC were pursuing Abbotswood with the finger of blame.  

I don't know if there has ever been an outcome on that. 

[CowMan]

4 minutes ago, Gladys said:

So, the index case (poor bugger) probably did exactly what he should have done, just like he had been doing since last March. 

Somewhat ironically the two people who have conducted and whipped up the IOMs biggest and most damaging public witch-hunts against all covid breachers (Greehow and Quayle) are now calling for there to be no witch-hunts in this situation. So you know where the blames lies already don’t you? Shame that last year they were literally crowing weekly every time some poor bastard was chucked in prison for “failing to act as directed”.

[jaymann]

IOM Gov Twitter now saying Bridge has been reclassified as higher risk.

contrast to the briefing earlier.

Edited March 4, 2021 by jaymann

[manxst]

4 minutes ago, buncha wankas said:

Was not called a human error or mistake when DHSC were pursuing Abbotswood with the finger of blame.  

It’ll be interesting to see where the police investigation goes with that given the current climate and scenario. 

[AcousticallyChallenged]

So, out of curiosity, and everyone talking about the testing figures etc.

The WHO guidelines available here: https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/articles/covid-19-testing-understanding-the-percent-positive.html suggest a test positivity of <5% before considering re-opening.

The good news is, that up until today, our figures were 5.6% at the peak, on the 27th of February.

Today, we reached 8.65% positivity.

Compare that to April, when positivity peaked at 50% when we did 2 tests on the 8th April. Then again on the 16th of April, when 16 tests yielded 8 positives.

 

In short, we are in a far better position than the first time round last March/April in terms of testing capacity, and whilst case numbers are higher, the testing figures suggest that is because we're detecting more of them.

To add: when we had 32 cases in April, positivity was 15%, today with 36, it was 8.65%, that's a massive difference and improvement.

Edited March 4, 2021 by AcousticallyChallenged

[rachomics]

Unfortunately for your analysis you need to adjust for the number of tests being carried out. A 50% positive rate on 10 tests is less than a 5% positive rate on 200 tests. 

Last year during the number of tests was 20-30 per day when going to PHE, max maybe 60. This year they're in-house and 200-300 per day. There's also the likelihood that this year there are significant numbers who can't get a test because either a) 111 is busy and they can't get through, or b) their symptoms don't fit the criteria for a test, even though they'll test positive for COVID if actually tested. 

[CowMan]

9 minutes ago, jaymann said:

IOM Gov Twitter now saying Bridge has been reclassified as higher risk.

contrast to the briefing earlier.

That will be fine. It’s Laxey they’ll all be in the same family. Fifteen people will be two households.

Edited March 4, 2021 by CowMan
Typo

[AcousticallyChallenged]

1 minute ago, rachomics said:

Unfortunately for your analysis you need to adjust for the number of tests being carried out. A 50% positive rate on 10 tests is less than a 5% positive rate on 200 tests. 

Last year during the number of tests was 20-30 per day when going to PHE, max maybe 60. This year they're in-house and 200-300 per day. There's also the likelihood that this year there are significant numbers who can't get a test because either a) 111 is busy and they can't get through, or b) their symptoms don't fit the criteria for a test, even though they'll test positive for COVID if actually tested. 

Am I not right in thinking you could have the facility doing over 1000 a day?

Edited March 4, 2021 by AcousticallyChallenged

[thommo2010]

I wonder how all these positive tests are being found. Is it just contact tracing following close contacts or are people phoning up ill. I wonder why so many cases are being picked up now compared to new year when the positive cases were in busy nightclubs with hundreds of people but very few positive tests came back

[pongo]

20 minutes ago, Gladys said:

I don't think anyone one is blaming the SP specifically

It's disappointing that neither the company, nor the union, nor any of the staff pointed out this now seemingly obvious hole in the island's defenses. Clearly ferry staff should have either been quarantined or else the ferries should be using UK based crews.

We should have been in lockdown much sooner. The virus doesn't care whether the source of infection is known. The genomics stuff barely matters either. The assumption should be that any case is a community case and that it's probably the worst strain going at any time.

The trouble is though that, had and earlier lockdown succeeded in preventing this outbreak, many here would have taken that as evidence that the measures were unnecessary. Especially those who have continually used bogus and short-term economic arguments to justify their opposition to restrictions on unnecessary business travel,  holidays, etc.

I very much hope this outbreak will mean an end to early calls for the measures to be relaxed.

[Banker]

Howie did say he hadn’t forgotten the exit policy and hopes to release& discuss it early next week.

[Kopek]

15 minutes ago, Gladys said:

So, the index case (poor bugger) probably did exactly what he should have done

Just like the guy coming back from Spain last March, just as we were about to lockdown?

Neither were aware that they were doing wrong because we were still making up the rules at that point???

Pointless to attack individuals who ' knew what not they did'?

The Police are probably peed off that it is they again who are going to be the 'Villains' in this lockdown when the the Govt are not admitting  their role in the spread thru complacency of their own rules!

I can't remember any of last years prosecutions seeming to lead to 'spread', it seemed to be the usual 'miscreants' having a drink with their mates! The ones not in that category will believe, justifiably, that they did not fit the rules for prosecution in view of the current 'misunderstanding'?

If appeals arise, can't help but thing that the Police will feel that they are the next 'Fall Guys' for the HQ/DA pass the buck?