TerryFuchwit Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, CowMan said: FFS now you’re arguing the other way round. I would assume that he gives only VERIFIED information to the public so he is not accused of lying by people like you but he can give ESTIMATED information to Tynwald so that they can have an idea of where the day might end. Can’t really see there’s much wrong with that. If he said publicly it’s 108 the next question would be “Is that a definite number” and then he’d have to say no as testing hasn’t ended for the day yet and be accused of lying I’d assume. The clip above is 100% clear in what he said. This. You would have to have thick as fuck not to understand what Ashford said. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chief Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 1 minute ago, CowMan said: Because I listened to the clip and what Ashford says is 100% clear to anyone of normal intelligence. Descending to name calling, the get out of someone who's lost an argument. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, Manx Yeller said: Ok so the number he gave to Tynwald is a guess? Well, let's say an educated estimate, which is fine, but instead of waffling, why not just say, this figure is at 3.45, there are still x amount of tests to confirm (whatever that really means) and on past experience, it is likely that y% of those will be positive, so we are estimating a daily total of z. That does beg the question of which test belongs to which day, but it is really easy to be open and it does build confidence. As for Dr Ewart, having seen the video, there is the additional context of body language, but the point PM was making remains, if someone is unusually unwell isn't it better to assume it may be covid and test rather than say, well that would just use up resource, and so really lock down the transmission? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowMan Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 Just now, The Chief said: Descending to name calling, the get out of someone who's lost an argument. What name calling was that? What Ashford said is totally unambiguous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 So what day are we in now? I think i must be suffering some sort of jet lag. Have i been vaccinated yet? 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhtred Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, the stinking enigma said: So what day are we in now? I think i must be suffering some sort of jet lag. Have i been vaccinated yet? No; you’re in self isolation. For your own good. Edited March 8, 2021 by Uhtred 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhtred Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 (edited) Just now, Uhtred said: Duplicate removed. Edited March 8, 2021 by Uhtred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manx Yeller Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, CowMan said: FFS now you’re arguing the other way round. I would assume that he gives only VERIFIED information to the public so he is not accused of lying by people like you but he can give ESTIMATED information to Tynwald so that they can have an idea of where the day might end. Can’t really see there’s much wrong with that. If he said publicly it’s 108 the next question would be “Is that a definite number” and then he’d have to say no as testing hasn’t ended for the day yet and be accused of lying I’d assume. The clip above is 100% clear in what he said. Not arguing the other way round at all. All I said was that it wasn't clear as to why the discrepancy. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it, I'd just like to know what the 108 was based on. For example, is it the actual number of positives in tests till 3.45 but that they haven't yet been added to the official figure, is it that they have calculated what they think it will be at the end of the day based on the normal % of positive tests and the number of tests yet to yield a result. Maybe I'm missing something but I just didn't hear it clearly explained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowMan Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, CowMan said: What name calling was that? What Ashford said is totally unambiguous. 7 minutes ago, TerryFuchwit said: This. You would have to have thick as fuck not to understand what Ashford said. I’ve tracked it now. It’s 39:50 onwards for about the next 2 minutes. His response on the number disparity is totally clear https://www.manxradio.com/podcasts/coronavirus-press-conferences-isle-of-man-manx-radio/episode/coronavirus-media-briefing-monday-8th-march-2021/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowMan Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Manx Yeller said: Not arguing the other way round at all. All I said was that it wasn't clear as to why the discrepancy. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it, I'd just like to know what the 108 was based on. For example, is it the actual number of positives in tests till 3.45 but that they haven't yet been added to the official figure, is it that they have calculated what they think it will be at the end of the day based on the normal % of positive tests and the number of tests yet to yield a result. Maybe I'm missing something but I just didn't hear it clearly explained. 39:50 onwards in the above clip. It’s clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, horatiotheturd said: Like who? Everyone who was saying that restrictions on unnecessary travel were significantly impacting the economy. And everyone who has continually argued against early pre-emptive lockdowns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, the stinking enigma said: So what day are we in now? I think i must be suffering some sort of jet lag. Have i been vaccinated yet? Look in the mirror and if you have a second head growing out ..yes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatiotheturd Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 Just now, pongo said: Everyone who was saying that restrictions on unnecessary travel were significantly impacting the economy. And everyone who has continually argued against early pre-emptive lockdowns. Like who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 1 minute ago, horatiotheturd said: Like who? I'm not going to call people out. But you know as well as I do who they are. Basically the Lawrence Fox / Steve Baker wing of the Manx Forums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatiotheturd Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, pongo said: I'm not going to call people out. But you know as well as I do who they are. Basically the Lawrence Fox / Steve Baker wing of the Manx Forums. I genuinely have no recollection of anyone against pre emptive lockdowns and also wanting to relax borders. I fear you might be getting confused again? Those in favour of a sensible border policy were also advocates of short sharp lockdowns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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