IOM Covid removing restrictions

[Nellie]

1 hour ago, Banker said:

 

Also CM says it’s been well received, well received by whom ? I don’t know anyone who thinks it’s any good 

Well, the sycophants in the cabal that surround him probably told him it was great.

In wider population, view seem to vary from indifference (at best) to despair and derision, at the other end of the spectrum.

Hopefully, Tynwald will reject it this week, and will demand something better. 

 

[AcousticallyChallenged]

21 minutes ago, Cassie2 said:

You are making that up (''.....and also in stopping spread of virus''). I hope that you are a better Banker than a false Scientist. The infectiousness of someone who has been vaccinated and gets the virus (asymptomatically or with symptoms) is not yet known although the signs are encouraging that the Pfizer, Oxford and Moderna ones will reduce the transmission / infectiousness rates TO SOME EXTENT. The top insiders have speculated that this will only be between 30% and a possible maximum of 70%.

Only as vaccination rates become higher will researchers be able to try and discern the effect on infection and transmission patterns, although it can be difficult to distinguish the impact of inoculations from that of measures such as lockdowns, distancing and mask mandates. The completion of the vaccine trials testing for asymptomatic infections will bring additional information. Two trials are expected to finish in April. However, one is of a vaccine from China’s Sinovac Biotech Ltd., which has a reported efficacy rate as low as 50% against symptomatic disease. The other test is the Russian Gamaleya Research Institute’s shot, whose efficacy rate was 92% in clinical trials but it’s only a small study.

September should bring the completion of sizeable trials of some highly efficacious vaccines. But results for the shots that have proved most effective at preventing disease (around 95%) from Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech aren’t expected until October 2022 and January 2023, respectively.

You are obviously desperate to travel and / or to have more people allowed into the island and I have great sympathy with that as I usually travel umpteen times each year and across the globe.

Both the goals mentioned are possible right now under certain restrictions which you wish to have removed.

But for goodness sake do not expect anyone to pay any heed to made-up factually wrong nonsense from you in considering when it is sufficiently safe, right and proper to ease restrictions. 

Realistically, we're getting to the point where the vaccine is the best we'll get either way. We protect the vulnerable and wider community as best we can, then crack on. We can't stay like this for years, to only find out that we could've opened up anyway.

Whilst the efficacity of reducing transmission is debated, it looks like it can reduce your risk of hospitalisation by up to 80% after a single dose, and 85% effective at preventing death after a single dose.

Note that even if you do fall unlucky enough to come down with COVID after your jab, you have a 44% lower risk of hospitalisation, and 55% lower chance of death.

Israel's data is showing 94% reduction in symptomatic covid and 92% reduction in severe disease from 7 days onwards.

If you keep reading, lots of new evidence suggesting that asymptomatic cases are reduced significantly, as well as transmission.

https://www.gponline.com/know-effectiveness-covid-19-vaccines/article/1708986

 

[jaymann]

Just now, TheTeapot said:

Are they not? 

I can't be bothered going back and finding some of what I read last week, but there have been  fair few problems. One of the main complaints I read about was the policy of sending a whole class home to isolate when a kid tested positive with a lateral flow test, and then keeping them off when later testing negative on PCR. That is clearly going to have to change. 

This. I was reading about several schools in Greater Manchester that have a number of years off now.

The lateral flow tests are causing problems because it's a pretty good safety net, but throws up way too many false positives, causing full years to self isolate.

[AlanShimmin]

11 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

Parliament St in Ramsey busy too, people everywhere, Farmer's Market on at the Courthouse (albeit with distancing in queueing), parking spaces in street all full, Costa open for "essential" takeaways, other various shops open too. Not much evidence of a "lockdown" IMHO.

People want to live their lives. Shocker. 

[TheTeapot]

4 minutes ago, jaymann said:

This. I was reading about several schools in Greater Manchester that have a number of years off now.

The lateral flow tests are causing problems because it's a pretty good safety net, but throws up way too many false positives, causing full years to self isolate.

They throw up too many false negatives too, which will lead to problems next week. Everyone wants a faster easier to administer test, and from what I have read (but not studied) they do appear to be getting more accurate, although I am not sure if that's just promo stuff rather than actual fact.

[Annoymouse]

1 hour ago, The Voice of Reason said:

They told me which one I would be having when they rang to fix the appointment so I printed the right form off.

Yes, I did the same, but people were asking why a copy isn’t sent out with the registration letter, the reason being they don’t know who will register for vaccination and they don’t know which vaccine people will be having (until it’s booked in).

[Lewis]

Rapid vaccination is obviously the key to pretty much everything now. Jab comparisons with other jurisdictions show what has been achieved however, since this race is against the virus, a far more important measure is what they did compared to what could have been done. Shown ultimately by idle stocks.  By the end of next week Gibraltar will have jabbed everyone over 16. By March 4th they had given over 41k doses, the last 3k of which came from the delivery made earlier that week! In contrast we have consistently maintained a comfortable stock of around 10k doses, which prior to last weeks 1k per day jab rate, represented an average of over 3 weeks jabbing. With the extra deliveries already expected, stock today stands at 19,634, or 23% of the population! Even at 1k per day, 7 days per week, this is still nearly 3 weeks supply which will keep rising unless the jab rate significantly increases. Closing that 3 week gap would have made the difference between many now having increased immunity, greatly reducing the risk of serious complications and hospitalisation.... and what we are seeing now.

In actual fact last week should have been over 2k jabs per day and 1k before that. Then, as in the UK, the over 70s would already have their immunity, and we would now be into the over 50s. And the reason we didn't?  A "perfect storm" of a late start, a silly appointment system, the 111 "Rolls Royce" (per HQ) debacle and complacent preparation and leadership. I suggest successful preparation is measured by maximising jabs in arms and not pretty booths to do them in. This is the issue that really needs an enquiry.   

Edited March 13, 2021 by Lewis

[Annoymouse]

34 minutes ago, Major Rushen said:

Good to see that in England the schools are not getting infections. Any idea why?

Hopefully you’ll still be saying the same thing in a weeks time.

[Manxas]

42 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

Parliament St in Ramsey busy too, people everywhere, Farmer's Market on at the Courthouse (albeit with distancing in queueing), parking spaces in street all full, Costa open for "essential" takeaways, other various shops open too. Not much evidence of a "lockdown" IMHO.

And this is the reason why we will end up being in lockdown longer. HQ and his merry men should've been firm from the beginning and told businesses to close. 

[doc.fixit]

1 hour ago, code99 said:

I suppose it depends on your personal experiences during this lockdown. The current restrictions have made some peoples' lives quite harsh. For example, yesterday somebody with a bad hip had to queue up at M&S for ages. A friend with a heart condition has had yet another delay for their 'non-urgent' appointment. I also know people who live alone, finding life increasingly stressful becasue they are not allowed to socialise with friends and relatives, something most humans need for good mental health. Some students are finding 'remote learning' very stressful too. For other people, who need indoor exercise, the NSC and all gyms are frustratingly closed (exercising outside in crap weather is not easy). All non-essential shops are closed, depriving some elderly people of the things they need; getting an appointment with a dentist is impossible... And so this list goes on and on, as does the pandemic, where there is no end in sight.

Exactly. For all the folk suggesting people are wimps and that it's all a con and borders should be open and we should man up there are many, many others who are truly suffering because they try to follow the current rules because they believe it will benefit the rest of society or because they don't try and belittle the efforts that most of the public are making.

I realise there are many generalities there and no references but those are my thoughts.

[Billy kettlefish]

Everyone just need to be a little bit more understanding. 

[Barlow]

1 hour ago, thommo2010 said:

Yes

Yes

Yes

Well, I have always respected your opinion and will take that on board. Thanks.

1 hour ago, thommo2010 said:

Ive just come from town. M and s and dealz are heaving.  

People have to shop for food and most can manage 2 weeks on their stock up. We've just used our last longlife milk - I have grown to quite like it. So perhaps will need to go M&S tomorrow or Monday.

Was the M&S one-way system in operation? It was quite strict last week.

Anyway, maybe most folk have just said bollocks to it. They've had enough 

:(

[Annoymouse]

2 minutes ago, doc.fixit said:

Exactly. For all the folk suggesting people are wimps and that it's all a con and borders should be open and we should man up there are many, many others who are truly suffering because they try to follow the current rules because they believe it will benefit the rest of society or because they don't try and belittle the efforts that most of the public are making.

I realise there are many generalities there and no references but those are my thoughts.

I have a strong resentment for lockdown 3, we barely went out after Lockdown 2 as we didn’t feel it was worth the risk, thought it was fairly obvious we needed to be careful to avoid another lockdown, it didn’t happen. All guards dropped and people out freely mingling and then they all act surprised we’re in another lockdown, even though it’s an ‘invisible enemy’ we keep getting told about. I feel social distancing , mask wearing and should’ve been in place, maybe even a restriction on venue numbers, but there you go.

Lockdown 3 is much the same, lots of people out doing pointless journeys in the name of ‘exercise’,  shopping for non essential stuff, how many will be out getting Mother’s Day cards and presents rather than just celebrating when lockdown has ended? What happened to Stay Home - Stay Safe - Protect your NHS?

 

[finlo]

4 minutes ago, Billy kettlefish said:

Everyone just need to be a little bit more understanding. 

Only last week you were complaining about how lackluster everything was here!

[Pipsqueak]

5 minutes ago, Annoymouse said:

What happened to Stay Home - Stay Safe - Protect your NHS?

 

That BS went out of date.

Edited March 13, 2021 by Pipsqueak