IOM Covid removing restrictions

[Southfork]

20 hours ago, TheTeapot said:

Mera shouldn't be the concern, its the crazy salary support scheme that no one seems to be paying any attention to

This guy gets it. Get back to work or do one. More employers are going to have to start doing this as so many simply do not want to work and have been incentivized to do sod all for so long that they’re no use to anyone. Let all those that want to work get back and all those who don’t find out that life doing bugger all 24/7 ain’t so cushy when you’re on JSA. That includes the public sector; if half of them had their way offices will be closed for another 5 years until they are “safe” 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8584511/Pimlico-Plummers-tycoon-Charlie-Mullins-FIRES-staff-refused-return-work-furlough.html

[Cambon]

57 minutes ago, spoiledbratoframsey said:

Let me understand, does that mean that quarantine on return to the island is reduced to seven days? It is not explained precisely whether the reduced period has already been introduced and due to be reviewed at the end of August; or if it is at the end of August that it may be introduced. It would be a game changer, because one week is much more manageable than two.

The problem with leaving the island for any extended period of time is that one cannot know for sure what the policy will be on return. The government should offer a guarantee to those who need to stay away for a while for a justifiable reason, that on return the regime will not be stricter than at the point of departure. That would provide peace of mind that one doesn't end being locked out of the isle later on.
 

It will be reviewed at the end of August and depending on the infection rates in other countries may be introduced.

It is optional. The choice will be either isolate for 14 days, or isolate for 7 days and then take a test. Go home and wait for result. If negative you can return to work and see family and friends but must avoid pubs, clubs, cinemas, etc. for 7 days. The test will cost about £50. 

[Banker]

44 minutes ago, Cambon said:

It will be reviewed at the end of August and depending on the infection rates in other countries may be introduced.

It is optional. The choice will be either isolate for 14 days, or isolate for 7 days and then take a test. Go home and wait for result. If negative you can return to work and see family and friends but must avoid pubs, clubs, cinemas, etc. for 7 days. The test will cost about £50. 

Basically copied the Guernsey 7 day trial they did. Jersey option where they test on arrival for countries on green list would be better but baby steps!

[Anyone]

Baby steps? Is that not one step forward , two back then fall on your arse.

[Banker]

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-business/more-than-half-of-businesses-not-ready-to-travel/
 

interesting survey, 7 days isolation would encourage a lot of business travel which may be why Howie is changing to 7 days end August 

[thommo2010]

Ultimately what is the end game here? Not just for the island but the world in general? The virus is surely to widespread now to suppress or eradicate it. Are we just going to have lockdowns/restrictions until there is a vaccine that may never arrive? Nobody anywhere to my knowledge has come out and said what the ultimate plan is.

My thoughts were lockdown was needed in the first place to protect the nhs, now these new cases dont seem to be putting anywhere as many people in hospital it seems to be mild to no symptoms. 

 

[Escape Artist]

On 7/31/2020 at 8:11 AM, John Wright said:

You remember the Covid priorities survey that was put up late June/early July?

Here are the results.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5e7b3bb1c479f649689bc535/t/5f219a2271945a3a215580e5/1596037722437/2020_COVID-19+Response+Prioritisation+Survey+Results.pptx.pdf

John:

The problem is that the questionnaire was artfully constructed as to make it difficult to express a critical opinion of the government or a meaningful dissent against the lockdown policies.

One was presented with scenarios prospecting unrealistically high fatalities in respect to what has actually happened in countries that managed Covid-19 with more liberal forms of social distancing; both in Europe and other continents.

The purpose of that questionnaire was to show how “prescient” the government had been, more than anything else. And thus, I was not able to complete it. If there had been a way to complete it for the purpose of showing my disappointment (to use a polite word) with the lockdown; I would have completed it, for sure.

Some of my criticism has the benefit of insight: at the beginning of the so called “pandemic” the profile of this new virus was not known well and one can possibly justify some of the Covid-19 restrictions with the position that a margin of safety was needed. But now that we understand it better, there should be an honest reassessment of the whole policy. That questionnaire doesn’t even try to be honest with the public.

[John Wright]

23 minutes ago, Escape Artist said:

John:

The problem is that the questionnaire was artfully constructed as to make it difficult to express a critical opinion of the government or a meaningful dissent against the lockdown policies.

One was presented with scenarios prospecting unrealistically high fatalities in respect to what has actually happened in countries that managed Covid-19 with more liberal forms of social distancing; both in Europe and other continents.

The purpose of that questionnaire was to show how “prescient” the government had been, more than anything else. And thus, I was not able to complete it. If there had been a way to complete it for the purpose of showing my disappointment (to use a polite word) with the lockdown; I would have completed it, for sure.

Some of my criticism has the benefit of insight: at the beginning of the so called “pandemic” the profile of this new virus was not known well and one can possibly justify some of the Covid-19 restrictions with the position that a margin of safety was needed. But now that we understand it better, there should be an honest reassessment of the whole policy. That questionnaire doesn’t even try to be honest with the public.

I don’t think it was constructed, artfully, or otherwise, to get results critical of, or favourable to, government.

I think, with hindsight, it was put together so that by asking the same question, but with differing outcomes. ( from least worse to worst ) across a number of variables the analysis could gauge which items were most favoured and most to be avoided. 

Thats different to your scenario.

Perhaps you are confused about what it’s aims were. They weren’t a commentary or assessment about what happened, but a what is acceptable going forward.

[gettafa]

I see in last week's Isle of Man Examiner, uber fuckwit and every goggle box TV couch potato's lovable rogue Goldie, did a wee bit of time in the nick for breaking lockdown rules, but perhaps more relevant is the sentences dished out by Isle of Man's new bestie Guernsey, where two English workers face months in a Guernsey jail after being fined £9,000 for breaking their self-isolation by going to the pub [source Manx Independent 30/7/20 p2]

And whinging selfish gets on the Isle of Man think they've been hard done by.

 

Edited August 3, 2020 by gettafa
typo

[Albert Tatlock]

7 minutes ago, gettafa said:

I see in last week's Isle of Man Examiner, uber fuckwit and every goggle box TV couch potato's lovable rogue Goldie, did a wee bit of time in the nick for breaking lockdown rules, but perhaps more relevant is the sentences dished out by Isle of Man's new bestie Guernsey, where two English workers face months in a Guernsey jail after being fined £9,000 for breaking their self-isolation by going to the pub [source Manx Independent 30/720 p2]

And whinging selfish gets on the Isle of Man think they've been hard done by.

 

Another 3 weeks and we'll be jailing idiots here again.

[Banker]

40 minutes ago, gettafa said:

I see in last week's Isle of Man Examiner, uber fuckwit and every goggle box TV couch potato's lovable rogue Goldie, did a wee bit of time in the nick for breaking lockdown rules, but perhaps more relevant is the sentences dished out by Isle of Man's new bestie Guernsey, where two English workers face months in a Guernsey jail after being fined £9,000 for breaking their self-isolation by going to the pub [source Manx Independent 30/720 p2]

And whinging selfish gets on the Isle of Man think they've been hard done by.

 

But the guys in Guernsey had been out multiple times and warned several times but carried on breaking the regulations sometimes just a few minutes after being escorted back

[Cambon]

2 hours ago, Banker said:

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-business/more-than-half-of-businesses-not-ready-to-travel/
 

interesting survey, 7 days isolation would encourage a lot of business travel which may be why Howie is changing to 7 days end August 

I think it was more to do with hand holding children to university.

 

[dilligaf]

3 hours ago, Banker said:

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-business/more-than-half-of-businesses-not-ready-to-travel/
 

interesting survey, 7 days isolation would encourage a lot of business travel which may be why Howie is changing to 7 days end August 

Just as other areas are changing from 7 to 9 or 10. Amazing

[Nellie]

I see that Mauritius, who are next door to us in the CoVid 'league table', are now free of any active cases.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Can we have an air bridge, please. 

[the stinking enigma]

Said nobody in Mauritius. Ever.