IOM Covid removing restrictions

[Peter Layman]

2 hours ago, Nomadic Raptor said:

I am no a little nervous about these vaccine passports.  As it stands the only ones who will have two jabs by the summer will be the over 60s (maybe over 50s). So in theory they will be able to travel etc......

the younger generations who are not getting jabbed until a lot later will not be getting second jabs until later and so won’t be able...add in younger generations have kids who won’t have anything this is lining up to be another one of those “oldies” sorting themselves out first and sticking two fingers up to everyone else which will cause civil un rest agsin

 

 only yesterday my elderly neighbors who I presume are in the shielding age range were in and out of their car upwards of 10 times going here there and everywhere without a mask in sight but our little family are staying locked up.... it seems to me those that have the jab are thinking I going to crack on but the rest have to be kicked away 

Hysterical much... Do you write articles for the local rags by any chance?

[Apple]

Early written questions published.

This one:

Between 3 March 2021 and 9 March 2021, there have been 144 arrivals into the island as follows:

Patient transfer 43

Returning resident 70

Compassionate exemption 8

Contractual exemption 23

In respect of Key workers for the same dates, there have been 25 arrivals, as follows:
Department
DFE     3

DHSC 18

DOI     4
                 

 

[trmpton]

1 hour ago, Beelzebub3 said:

My wife had a small procedure on Tuesday and was in for a couple of hours in radiology and was not tested.

If this is their new policy it seems madness given that people going in for simple outpatient procedures (think in and out in less than an hour) had to test and isolate for three days beforehand while we were covid free last summer.

What possible reasoning would there be for making people do that then which meant unpaid time off work and not now midst outbreak?

[Len Trench]

30 minutes ago, Apple said:

Early written questions published.

Help me Google that info please.

[The Voice of Reason]

11 hours ago, Uhtred said:

The private briefings on contentious items in advance of the sittings, thus stifling open debate and withholding information from the electorate most certainly aren’t.

I’m sure you will agree that some items must be private and can not be released into the public domain at least for the time being 

[Nomadic Raptor]

30 minutes ago, Peter Layman said:

Hysterical much... Do you write articles for the local rags by any chance?

No but I just thought once again younger people get the rubbish end of the stick again.... I can see it happening now older population traveling etc whilst we are left behind because we have not had both jabs etc 

[piebaps]

3 minutes ago, Len Trench said:

Help me Google that info please.

Len

Tynwald meets monthly. It publishes and agenda, a question paper and after the sitting, a transcript. These can all be found on the Tynwald website. Google Tynwald and you will find it. Happy reading.

[TerryFuchwit]

2 hours ago, Cassie2 said:

Is it really 'the usual format'' to have all questions from the Manx Public filtered by and asked only by a James Davis of Isle of Man Advertising & Public Relations which sucks at the IOM Government's teats? James has been especially ''selected'' by the Chief Minister & his Chief Secretary. Any possible conflicts of interest there then do you think? Since when did that become acceptable behaviour?

Who is this James Davis? Well, here is a little bit from James's company website: ''We are also the exclusive agents for key advertising sites around the Isle of Man, including the Airport, Sea Terminal, Palace and Broadway Cinemas, Bus Vannin fleet, Isle of Man Steam Packet Company vessels and UK ferry terminals.''

If you think that is ''the usual format'' or that it is in any way, shape or form acceptable, god help the state of Manx Democracy.

You would be moaning no matter what , to  be fair.

Which cutting edge journalist would you expect to be asking the questions?

[Gladys]

25 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said:

I’m sure you will agree that some items must be private and can not be released into the public domain at least for the time being 

I would say there is a difference between private and confidential and personal info.  There is quite a bit of mixing up between the three.  Pretty certain there are well defined parameters for all terms, including Private and Confidential, Confidential,  Commercial in Confidence, Staff in Confidence, and so on.  

Are the briefings private or confidential? 

Personal information is protected if it identifies a person.  There is no data protection reason to withhold some of the information that has been requested and denied on that basis. The information must be made anonymous, of course and can be presented in a way that is useful but not identifying.

For example, of those admitted to hospital, how many have been admitted because of covid, and how many have been admitted for other reasons but who have tested positive for covid.  Of those admitted because of covid, how many have been vaccinated, and so on. 

Not rocket science and other small jurisdictions like Gibraltar seem to be able to solve the conundrum. 

[The Voice of Reason]

15 minutes ago, Gladys said:

I would say there is a difference between private and confidential and personal info.  There is quite a bit of mixing up between the three.  Pretty certain there are well defined parameters for all terms, including Private and Confidential, Confidential,  Commercial in Confidence, Staff in Confidence, and so on.  

Are the briefings private or confidential? 

Personal information is protected if it identifies a person.  There is no data protection reason to withhold some of the information that has been requested and denied on that basis. The information must be made anonymous, of course and can be presented in a way that is useful but not identifying.

For example, of those admitted to hospital, how many have been admitted because of covid, and how many have been admitted for other reasons but who have tested positive for covid.  Of those admitted because of covid, how many have been vaccinated, and so on. 

Not rocket science and other small jurisdictions like Gibraltar seem to be able to solve the conundrum. 

Thanks. I was really thinking though of scenarios rather than individuals and personal information.For example matters of national security.

[Zarley]

10 minutes ago, Gladys said:

I would say there is a difference between private and confidential and personal info.  There is quite a bit of mixing up between the three.  Pretty certain there are well defined parameters for all terms, including Private and Confidential, Confidential,  Commercial in Confidence, Staff in Confidence, and so on.  

Are the briefings private or confidential? 

Personal information is protected if it identifies a person.  There is no data protection reason to withhold some of the information that has been requested and denied on that basis. The information must be made anonymous, of course and can be presented in a way that is useful but not identifying.

For example, of those admitted to hospital, how many have been admitted because of covid, and how many have been admitted for other reasons but who have tested positive for covid.  Of those admitted because of covid, how many have been vaccinated, and so on. 

Not rocket science and other small jurisdictions like Gibraltar seem to be able to solve the conundrum. 

Absolutely agree. It makes them look like they're hiding something or fudging the figures somehow. All it does is erode confidence amongst the "Great Manx Public".

Great Manx Mushrooms, more like. Kept in the dark and fed a steady diet of bullshit.

[Barlow]

Just looking at the Pre-recorded Isle of Man Government Exit Framework Discussion - Wednesday 10th March 2021.

I see they have changed the name to show it was pre-recorded, although the first 6 minutes is the IoM Green Screen of Death, complete with spooky music waiting for the presentation to start, kidding on it was live. Anyway, that aside...

James Davis is a jolly enough and likeable chap but on a number of occasions he asked a question and basically answered it himself before asking Dr Ewart. The questions were done and dusted and handed on a plate to Dr Ewart.

Here are 3 examples:

 

 

It reminds of this cracker of an interview from Manx Radio:

yes-2.mp3

Edited March 18, 2021 by Barlow

[piebaps]

42 minutes ago, Gladys said:

I would say there is a difference between private and confidential and personal info.  There is quite a bit of mixing up between the three.  Pretty certain there are well defined parameters for all terms, including Private and Confidential, Confidential,  Commercial in Confidence, Staff in Confidence, and so on.  

Are the briefings private or confidential? 

Personal information is protected if it identifies a person.  There is no data protection reason to withhold some of the information that has been requested and denied on that basis. The information must be made anonymous, of course and can be presented in a way that is useful but not identifying.

For example, of those admitted to hospital, how many have been admitted because of covid, and how many have been admitted for other reasons but who have tested positive for covid.  Of those admitted because of covid, how many have been vaccinated, and so on. 

Not rocket science and other small jurisdictions like Gibraltar seem to be able to solve the conundrum. 

You're bob on there Gladys. Patients' medical information is absolutely confidential, similar to personal tax records. Government data more generally can be subject to separate security classifications. Data is however made available via FOI and Tynwald questions on a regular basis but in the manner you describe (presented in such a way as no individual can be identified).

Data protection is an overarching set of rules which cover the lot, but don't necessarily permit or prevent release of information which is otherwise covered by separate primary law.

Given Ashford's somewhat tenuous grasp of data protection rules its no surprise he can't get it right. In his defence however, whatever stat he presents will result in someone wanting a different one, so he's on a hiding to nothing. His health team however should be anticipating what the questions will be and either fronting the briefings themselves or making sure he has it at his fingertips.

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Edited March 18, 2021 by piebaps

[Utah 01]

2 hours ago, Zarley said:

He's running for something or other

'Old Git's' seafood chowder if he was around there for dinner last night.

[Apple]

1 hour ago, Len Trench said:

Help me Google that info please.

https://www.tynwald.org.im/business/hansard/20002020/t210316 Early Written Answers.pdf

Here you go. Enjoy.

Note -property prices question / answers interesting too.