IOM Covid removing restrictions

[AcousticallyChallenged]

1 hour ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Confusing statistics? Not to those with a modicum of intelligence 

Lack of information about hospitalisations? Don’t think so. It’s OK to say that one case was someone returning from Spain. They weren’t named.

Dismissive response to press questions? Piers Moulton is lucky to still have accreditation after the way he behaves. Don’t give it if you can’t take it

Adherence to peculiar data protection regulations? I’ll perhaps give you that one but done with good intentions 

Funny dealings on software? Not aware of that.

Treatment of Dr Glover? Your not going to like this but she bought in on herself. We are using genomics from a well proven world regarded source.

Cost of the vax hubs? These cost what they cost. It may seem a lot to the layman but it is what it is.

Go on if you want but I’m sure whatever you say can easily be rebuffed.

The statistics being presented the way they were, confusing or not as you may have found them, did not instill confidence. It smacked of uncertainty, lack of process, understanding or competence, depending who you ask. That is unequivocally a problem when you need the public on side.

One reason for falling out, if you take it from the horse's mouth, that DHSC and Taxagenomics fell out, was over code being used that was owned by the latter, and not licensed to the former. This upset DHSC when they were approached about it.

We may well be using them from a well regarded source, but any source is only as good as it is timely. When you have real-time infection, you need your data to be here sooner than 5 days away, and someone who can use that data effectively. That data may well have prevented the Sunday night re-opening.

How many other professionals are there on the Island who have actually identified on-island transmission chains from genomic data?

As it stands, the genomics data only really confirmed that we had dropped our paddle somewhere up the creek, as we were dealing with the new variant. It wasn't giving us the chains of transmission.

Chester St makes sense as a hub, given the accessibility of it. But contrasted with that, the expense of a temporary facility in the airport, when every other country fortunate enough to have the vaccine, was and is focusing on needles in arms, rather than assembling bespoke facilities feels like misplaced resources.

[Whatnonsence]

3 hours ago, trmpton said:

Has the prison been identified as somewhere that someone got the virus from someone else?

The  prison has been identified where two people have COVID according to government.

In any investigation involving track and trace this would be a one of the starting points as my or your house would be.

The eight people in the eye clinic and their carers  amounted to eleven people who sat in the same room with the prisoner and escort would expect to be safe visiting that clinic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[TerryFuchwit]

2 hours ago, TheTeapot said:

It obviously wasn't. And everyone knew it.

If everyone knew it why did all kids go to school?

Sounds made up to me.

[Roger Mexico]

1 hour ago, CallMeCurious said:

[...] So in the space of two sentences I got the word count from 57 to 20.  Or roughly a 1/3rd of the bloated twaddle they spout. This is why people don't trust these things because it feels like we are being baffled with bullshit by some snake oil or used car salesman.

Or indeed a 'Communications Executive'.  I've commented on the general weirdness of Quayle's addresses on several occasions before.  I think they are meant to give the impression  that he is improvising off notes and all the little asides and familiarities are meant to give the idea that he is a sincere man of the people who is none the less in charge.   Hence the roundabout  (and verbose) way of speaking and the semi-formal style it is all written in.

Unfortunately his speeches then get published simultaneously with all the added bits and chattiness included, so it makes clear that rather than informally talking around a brief he has mastered, he is just painfully reading out a script he doesn't quite understand.  Which of course is exactly what it sounds like.  I've seen more convincing hostage videos.

What gets me is that this has been going on for a year now, to general bemusement and mockery.  It sounded dreadful then and it sounds dreadful now - why haven't they changed things?  

[Roger Mexico]

11 minutes ago, TerryFuchwit said:

If everyone knew it why did all kids go to school?

Because parents were told: "Schools and UCM will open as usual tomorrow. Attendance will not be optional."

[AcousticallyChallenged]

10 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

What gets me is that this has been going on for a year now, to general bemusement and mockery.  It sounded dreadful then and it sounds dreadful now - why haven't they changed things?  

There has been the odd press conference where he has come across clearly and well spoken, but they are few and far between. The forced colloquialisms hurt.

The cadence always makes me think he should be reading us The Very Hungry Caterpillar before bed.

[TerryFuchwit]

1 minute ago, Roger Mexico said:

Because parents were told: "Schools and UCM will open as usual tomorrow. Attendance will not be optional."

Yes but if everyone knew you simply would have kept them off school regardless.  I have kids.  I work with people who have kids.  9 between us.  No one had an issue and no one was bleating about it either.

No one had an issue because there wasn't one "that everyone knew about ".

[TerryFuchwit]

2 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said:

There has been the odd press conference where he has come across clearly and well spoken, but they are few and far between. The forced colloquialisms hurt.

The cadence always makes me think he should be reading us The Very Hungry Caterpillar before bed.

He's probably demoralised and bored shitless by it all.  I'm amazed he bothers for the money. It isn't that well paid and he's loaded.

[TheTeapot]

I should have written 'everyone who has been paying attention knew it except people who suck government balls all day or would just let it rip cos they think only of themselves' 

[TerryFuchwit]

5 minutes ago, TheTeapot said:

I should have written 'everyone who has been paying attention knew it except people who suck government balls all day or would just let it rip cos they think only of themselves' 

Or alternatively you just shouldn't have written anything.

[Gladys]

24 minutes ago, TerryFuchwit said:

He's probably demoralised and bored shitless by it all.  I'm amazed he bothers for the money. It isn't that well paid and he's loaded.

Do you understand the concept of public service?  I am sure he is loaded and demoralised and even bored, but nevertheless he is CM.  That entails doing stuff, not just opening fetes and starting races.

In that statement  you have probably done more to undermine his position than anyone else on this site. 

[TerryFuchwit]

7 minutes ago, Gladys said:

Do you understand the concept of public service?  I am sure he is loaded and demoralised and even bored, but nevertheless he is CM.  That entails doing stuff, not just opening fetes and starting races.

In that statement  you have probably done more to undermine his position than anyone else on this site. 

At the end of the day it's simply a job.  That's all it is.  That isn't undermining his position.  It's simply stating the truth.

He's an elected MHK and he's just an ordinary person.   He has an utterly thankless task and the amount of shite he has to sift through each day isn't worth the title or the salary.   

Nothing he does is appreciated (literally everything is criticised) and you only need to look at the bitter sniping from the resident pensioner pandemic experts on here to see that.

So yes, I'm surprised he bothers.

[Barlow]

 

1 hour ago, Roger Mexico said:

 

What gets me is that this has been going on for a year now, to general bemusement and mockery.  It sounded dreadful then and it sounds dreadful now - why haven't they changed things?  

Well it is going to be changed. Hence the trial and staging of the performance partnership of pals James Davis and Mark Lewin

Howard seems to be blaming it on the media questions as to why people are not getting the government message and turning off from the briefings.

That seems to be a desperate tactic to throw blame on someone else.

FWIW, I would suggest the biggest way of getting the message across during LD1, and to an extend LD2 was the law enforcement, which seems to be somewhat less enthusiastic LD3. (eg all-Island temporary speed limit)

 

 

[Gladys]

14 minutes ago, TerryFuchwit said:

At the end of the day it's simply a job.  That's all it is.  That isn't undermining his position.  It's simply stating the truth.

He's an elected MHK and he's just an ordinary person.   He has an utterly thankless task and the amount of shite he has to sift through each day isn't worth the title or the salary.   

Nothing he does is appreciated (literally everything is criticised) and you only need to look at the bitter sniping from the resident pensioner pandemic experts on here to see that.

So yes, I'm surprised he bothers.

If that is the case, he should resign. 

[quilp]

7 hours ago, TerryFuchwit said:

Nothing he does is appreciated (literally everything is criticised) and you only need to look at the bitter sniping from the resident pensioner pandemic experts on here to see that.

That's not exactly true though is it? Outside of this forum, it appears that the Headmaster, the Head Boy and Girl have a lot of support in the general public. Only on here have I found their style and delivery come under critical scrutiny, I've heard the views of many who feel they've been doing a sterling job at keeping us informed and never read between their lines. Nowhere else do I see or hear the idiosyncratic tendencies of the briefings and the confusion over the figures released being criticised by the vast majority of locals who lap it up unquestionably.

Surely being a politician is also vocational, in that there's a will to serve, and doing what's best for the people they represent, in much the same way as police, carers and other such professions so the pay comes secondary to the job. Not everyone is obsessed with the money as you seem to be. 

Edited March 20, 2021 by quilp