quilp Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, Happier diner said: He's banned? I missed that. Who knows, but he's been silent lately. The tactic is so very Sultanesque... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, John Wright said: No. It’s not binary. And mitigation isn’t necessarily open borders and no other measures. You can mix and match border control, social and community measures, vaccination. There’s no absolute answer. There’s no correct answer. Its all a question of proportionate response to risk. Problem is different people have different assessment and acceptance levels for risk. Correct. Yes not binary accepted. But clearly it's carry on as normal or some restrictions. I think you have to consider that, unless you want rapid growth in infections, that any measures would have to be effective in keeping r around 1. Not much different to what we have now. Perhaps push out to schools and construction but surely no pubs or restaurants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarley Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 5 hours ago, Out of the blue said: That is exactly what is happening now. Vaccinations being doubled and the over 50's getting vaccinated by mid April, just in time for the phased release. A draconian lockdown was not imposed or enforced, to allow for a gentle, gradual easing to get the public into a 'mitigating' frame of mind. What is being said publicly about elimination, is not reflected within Comin. Elimination ended yesterday, just not officially. Maybe you should let Dr Ewart know what you know about CoMin's covid policy regards elimination/mitigation. During yesterday's briefing (@38:12) when PM asked his question concerning how a person with a day thirteen positive result is released from self-isolation, Dr Ewart said the following: "Therefore, erring heavily on the side of caution, because we are still aiming to get back to local elimination..." (@39:14) Did the doctor not get your memo? Asking for a friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 30 new cases but hospital numbers down to 18 , must be due a lot of cases dropping off soon? https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/30-new-cases-of-covid-19/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, Banker said: 30 new cases but hospital numbers down to 18 , must be due a lot of cases dropping off soon? https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/30-new-cases-of-covid-19/ No mention of how many in ICU. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmanxpilot Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Banker said: 30 new cases but hospital numbers down to 18 , must be due a lot of cases dropping off soon? https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/30-new-cases-of-covid-19/ Four unexplained cases in the case count too. I know of one business in Douglas that had to close for a deep clean today after an employee tested positive. Sensibly, they didn't attend work when they started to develop symptoms. It's dragging on....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out of the blue Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Zarley said: Maybe you should let Dr Ewart know what you know about CoMin's covid policy regards elimination/mitigation. During yesterday's briefing (@38:12) when PM asked his question concerning how a person with a day thirteen positive result is released from self-isolation, Dr Ewart said the following: "Therefore, erring heavily on the side of caution, because we are still aiming to get back to local elimination..." (@39:14) Did the doctor not get your memo? Asking for a friend. I heard the briefing and Dr Ewart's remark, there is no contradiction. To aim for elimination by mid April is a reasonable aim (it is preferable to start from a low base) if you plan to pivot to mitigation a few weeks later in May, as stated in the exit plan. The vaccinations are being pushed to allow for the distinct possibility that elimination cannot be achieved by then. Not being a member of Comin this obviously isn't gospel, please tell your friend it is just my take on the situation. It is worth noting, that I loved living in a non-covid environment, but grudgingly acknowledge and accept that mitigation is coming in some form very soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daisy Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 5 hours ago, piebaps said: That's not quite true is it? https://guernseypress.com/news/2021/03/18/plans-afoot-for-local-variant-testing-facility/ "Director of Public Health Dr Nicola Brink confirmed that a document is being prepared to develop on-island genome sequencing and rapidly identify any Covid-19 mutations, such as the new Breton variant. Identifying variants would allow authorities to enact targeted safety measures." There's a huge difference between setting up and "a document is being prepared". The point is they have realised how important this is ...we had this on our doorstep,, up running, ready willing and able to help Sequencing variants would enable rapid identification, rather than waiting for more than a fortnight for results to return from the UK. As the Bailiwick moves towards living with the virus as an endemic, rather than a pandemic, detecting variants would help to monitor the situation in real time. Implementing this sequencing facility is said in the blueprint to be ‘technically feasible and is likely to be cost-effective as it may prevent unnecessary restrictions having to be put in place, the most extreme of which is another lockdown’. Variants of particular concern would have qualities which enhance morbidity and mortality, reduce vaccination sensitivity, have a higher transmissibility or a combination of all. Removing border restrictions is the ultimate aim of the blueprint, but is being done cautiously as advised by the European Centre of Disease Prevention and Control. Opening borders also depends on whether variants of concern arise in other countries or regions, and whether vaccines remain effective against newly circulating variants. Detecting variants rapidly would help to inform Public Health’s response should any other variant be identified locally, allowing a targeted approach in re-instating restrictions. It would also benefit the contact tracing team by providing a case linking to better understand spread. 4 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 31 minutes ago, Banker said: 30 new cases but hospital numbers down to 18 , must be due a lot of cases dropping off soon? https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/30-new-cases-of-covid-19/ We should have been since Thursday really. If you look at the number of new cases from 14 days ago: Wed 3 Mar 17 (14 day recovered 37) Thur 4 Mar 36 (27) Fri 5 Mar 59 (25) Sat 6 Mar 71 (29) The 37 on Wednesday is probably earlier cases they were catching up on, but they seem to be falling behind again. It can't be for lack of testing capacity as they've only been doing around 425 in recent days and they've done around 600 before that. When Ewart said the Kent variant seemed to be infectious for longer yesterday, she was referring to infected people failing their 13 day test. This means the number of active cases is stuck around 860-870 only just off its peak of 872 (you'll remember Howie and Ashie assuring us it would be plummeting last weekend). The number in hospital is still high given the case mix, hopefully it will fall further over the next few days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Grumpy Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 This news is not encouraging 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
code99 Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 16 hours ago, TerryFuchwit said: At the end of the day it's simply a job. That's all it is. That isn't undermining his position. It's simply stating the truth. He's an elected MHK and he's just an ordinary person. He has an utterly thankless task and the amount of shite he has to sift through each day isn't worth the title or the salary. Nothing he does is appreciated (literally everything is criticised) and you only need to look at the bitter sniping from the resident pensioner pandemic experts on here to see that. So yes, I'm surprised he bothers. Personally, I think he should resign... and I am unanimous in that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 According to BBC news someone jailed for 4 weeks for COVID breaches but not seen on local news anywhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
code99 Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 Just now, Banker said: According to BBC news someone jailed for 4 weeks for COVID breaches but not seen on local news anywhere https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/two-men-in-prison-following-covid-offences/ "Two men who've been charged with Covid offences are in prison. Both appeared in Court this morning. One received a four week sentence and the other was remanded in prison to appear before the Court at a later date." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 17 minutes ago, Dr. Grumpy said: This news is not encouraging That is worrying and surely reinforces the requirement for speedy genomic testing and results? 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 Just listening to the vaccine thing on manx radio ayy emm. Reading between the lines of what henrietta is saying, being the only way of understanding what henrietta actuslly is saying, i'd say it's a sure bet at least one of those in hospital has had the vaccine. Probably more 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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