Dave Hedgehog Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, Out of the blue said: If we only listen to scientists we will be in a perpetual ‘safe’’ state, I dearly hope not. Risks are part of life. All I know is that forbidding anyone from leaving their homes would stop 100% of people from being ran over by a bus. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out of the blue Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Just now, Dave Hedgehog said: All I know is that forbidding anyone from leaving their homes would stop 100% of people from being ran over by a bus. Quite right, buses are bloody dangerous, stay safe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, Out of the blue said: Quite right, buses are bloody dangerous, stay safe Er, given the money Ian Longworth has expended, we should have the safest bus fleet in the world 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 2 more arrests, looks like the police are out of isolation 😀 https://www.three.fm/news/isle-of-man-news/two-further-arrests-for-covid-offences/?fbclid=IwAR2lJFDpOks4p5IfMBoqBaJS5F47pUg7pryUYgTuPnPeUwFQgeeLmdvgxxw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryFuchwit Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Non-Believer said: Er, given the money Ian Longworth has expended, we should have the safest bus fleet in the world 😂 We do. Most are not on the road because 46 staff are isolating Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryFuchwit Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Just now, Banker said: 2 more arrests, looks like the police are out of isolation 😀 https://www.three.fm/news/isle-of-man-news/two-further-arrests-for-covid-offences/?fbclid=IwAR2lJFDpOks4p5IfMBoqBaJS5F47pUg7pryUYgTuPnPeUwFQgeeLmdvgxxw You've got to be next level stupid to get arrested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 48 minutes ago, Newbie said: I think their position was that mass testing of asymptomatic individuals was not helpful, particularly when the prevalence of disease in the community is low (such as last summer/autumn on the island). There is evidence from places like Liverpool, where mass testing was undertaken, that supports that view. That is different to surge testing, where increased testing of asymptomatic individuals in specific areas and at specific times (i.e. during an outbreak or cluster) can be helpful. Here, they tended to refer to that as surveillance testing. Mass testing can also be helpful, to an extent, in specific settings such as healthcare or Universities. As with many things, the answer isn't black and white, but requires a nuanced approach. Unfortunately, with many issues relating to the pandemic, people often adopt extreme positions such as 'Mass testing is a good thing and we should do it all the time' or 'Mass testing is a waste of resources and doesn't work'. In that sense, flip-flopping can be a good thing provided that there are sound principles underlying the decisions taken at any particular time. One person's flip-flopping is another person's nuanced approach. Mass testing in the guise that Universities use is a pragmatic approach to try and reduce risk. It’s about minimising how students pass it between eachother after travelling from quite a diverse range of areas in the UK. Lateral flow tests used to support that aren’t particularly good either, they’re just convenient. Not particularly applicable here when we have a good PCR lab, HQ’s gold standard The surge or surveillance testing, however they’d like to refer to it, came across as very much an accident in the first case they acknowledged it. In the New Year’s Day scenario, where you’d get told to get a test if you called before X o’clock just in case. Not a broader net. In Australia for example, waste water is sampled as an early warning sign of virus spread. Or, in the case of the coffee and noodle place, they were only all called to be tested after someone happened to develop symptoms after being in there at the same time as a case. In other words, when you already knew that cat was halfway out of the bag. Flip-flopping or changes of strategy can be a good thing, but you’d hope it was in an organised, proactive and meaningful way. Not accidents and luck. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 35 minutes ago, The Old Git said: Are they still doing the same amount of testing? Looks like testing is down they are more focused on the vaccine but the % of positive cases is down as well. Found this article which sounds promising https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56479462 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monasqueen Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, TerryFuchwit said: You've got to be next level stupid to get arrested. What is it about these people that makes them do such stupid things? Do they not realise that it is their stupidity that helps to ensure that the controls against us all keep getting extended? We all want to get out of lockdown, and I'd rather do it sooner, without their "help". 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said: Mass testing in the guise that Universities use is a pragmatic approach to try and reduce risk. It’s about minimising how students pass it between eachother after travelling from quite a diverse range of areas in the UK. Lateral flow tests used to support that aren’t particularly good either, they’re just convenient. Not particularly applicable here when we have a good PCR lab, HQ’s gold standard The surge or surveillance testing, however they’d like to refer to it, came across as very much an accident in the first case they acknowledged it. In the New Year’s Day scenario, where you’d get told to get a test if you called before X o’clock just in case. Not a broader net. In Australia for example, waste water is sampled as an early warning sign of virus spread. Or, in the case of the coffee and noodle place, they were only all called to be tested after someone happened to develop symptoms after being in there at the same time as a case. In other words, when you already knew that cat was halfway out of the bag. Flip-flopping or changes of strategy can be a good thing, but you’d hope it was in an organised, proactive and meaningful way. Not accidents and luck. I agree that making different decisions to suit different circumstances (aka 'flip-flopping'!) is a good thing, but that the government/public health don't really seem to have thought through how they will respond in any particular set of conditions. It does appear that the decisions can be a bit random and often behind the curve. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerremonside Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 13 hours ago, Albert Tatlock said: Don't be daft. How the hell is it going to fit in the living room? Top class Albert. Made my day that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 25 minutes ago, monasqueen said: What is it about these people that makes them do such stupid things? Do they not realise that it is their stupidity that helps to ensure that the controls against us all keep getting extended? We all want to get out of lockdown, and I'd rather do it sooner, without their "help". It's a combination of being stupid and also woolly, ambiguous signals from Govt in respect of lockdown restrictions, open to all sorts of personal interpretations and applications. These couple of examples are a bit too late which is why we're now averaging 20+ new cases a day. If they'd enforced a clear message somewhat earlier we'd have alleviated the current situation somewhat IMHO. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Roxanne said: I believe the man in charge doesn't believe in covid. I wonder how many more people have to die before he changes his mind. It does seem a little weird that Texas has made the decision to open up and the number of infected has fallen whereas in the rest of the world with the same decision they have become overrun with cases. Are we sure Texas is telling the truth? Like I've posted texas arent doing as much testing they are focusing on the vaccine, same as Israel. They are pretty much back to normal as well. Vaccine has been smashed over there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sentience Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 I always considered that most Americans, apart from the 'Rednecks' were kind of like us as far basic intelligence goes....BUT!!...have you seen the latest US media reports about the hundreds of 'Spring breakers', these are university students in Miami, congretating for the annual 'party', the vast majority without masks. Surprisingly (sic) Miami now the city celebrating, with by far the most new cases of Covid in the entire United States. These students, university students, credited with being the best of the best in terms of intelligence.....REALLY! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sentience Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, Roxanne said: I've been hearing some very strange and worrying stories about some people's interpretation of the 'bubble' relaxation. So, I live by myself, so does my partner in her own home. She has been getting a little depressed that we can't 'be together'. The CM and his gang talked about 'Bubbling' in such an ambiguous way that we don't know whether or not the two of us spending time together is actually illegal. Furthermore, is there a 'time limit' on our togetherness. In other words, can she spend the night with me? We just don't know. The words used about 'Bubbling' by HQ and his cohorts are very much open to so many different interpretations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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