Howard the Duck MBE TBC Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Albert Tatlock said: Charged. https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/man-arrested-at-laxey-beach-charged-with-covid-offence/ This actually has the potential to cause some real ill feeling in the community. It is a difficult one because like a lot of other people I don't actually think there was any risk in what they were doing, but they have been sending people to prison and he had been warned so I don't see that they have an option but to bang him up. For some strange reason society seemed accepting of ludicrous jail sentences last year. This time he seems to have a lot of public support and people are rightly saying that jail would be a completely over the top response. But if they don't then it makes a mockery of all the previous cases. It will be interesting to see how it pans out especially when the inevitable Sun and Mail headlines appear over the weekend making us look totally backward. Cue the UK press references to birching and homosexuality which are never good pr. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Its utterly stupid to charge him with a crime, just punch him hard in the mouth - twice - and tell him not to be such a twat. 6 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slinkydevil Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 1 hour ago, TheTeapot said: They all sound very english on that video Eh la, the Wim Hof Method only sounds good when it's in a scouse accent. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itsmeee Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 I think they have to make an example of him. He was warned yesterday and he stuck up two fingers and went and did the same thing again the very next day. He’s either a total moron or a wanker. Either way he deserves everything he gets. My mental health would have been immeasurably improved over the last year by seeing my family. But I have sucked it up. Not broken the law. These people make me want to upchuck. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, Howard the Duck MBE TBC said: This actually has the potential to cause some real ill feeling in the community. No ill feeling from me just support For some strange reason society seemed accepting of ludicrous jail sentences last year. They weren’t ludicrous, that’s why society accepted them. This time he seems to have a lot of public support and people are rightly saying that jail would be a completely over the top response. Don’t think so. Evidence? It will be interestings to see how it pans out especially when the inevitable Sun and Mail headlines appear over the weekend making us look totally backward. Cue the UK press references to birching and homosexuality which are never good pr. Actually this particular episode is good PR . Don’t think the UK press will mention homosexuality and birching issues, old irrelevant news. See jet ski man and the support our government got from that . “Wish our government would take that stance” etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 20 minutes ago, Howard the Duck MBE TBC said: This actually has the potential to cause some real ill feeling in the community. It is a difficult one because like a lot of other people I don't actually think there was any risk in what they were doing, but they have been sending people to prison and he had been warned so I don't see that they have an option but to bang him up. For some strange reason society seemed accepting of ludicrous jail sentences last year. This time he seems to have a lot of public support and people are rightly saying that jail would be a completely over the top response. But if they don't then it makes a mockery of all the previous cases. It will be interesting to see how it pans out especially when the inevitable Sun and Mail headlines appear over the weekend making us look totally backward. Cue the UK press references to birching and homosexuality which are never good pr. It will be interesting to see what happens. The laws now are different from those last year. 20 people going for a swim at the same time on the same beach is currently not illegal. Organising a gathering, as in 20 people getting together on the same beach at the same time, for a swim is illegal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Just now, Cambon said: It will be interesting to see what happens. The laws now are different from those last year. 20 people going for a swim at the same time on the same beach is currently not illegal. Organising a gathering, as in 20 people getting together on the same beach at the same time, for a swim is illegal. Yes, I would be interested in exactly what the charge is, breaking covid rules won't cut it. So, if 20 people had turned up on Laxey beach entirely of their own volition would that be a gathering? What if they said "see you on Laxey beach tomorrow, at a distance so we can keep an eye out for each other and have a sense of communal enjoyment". That then is a crime? I don't know I am on the fence a bit with this, but I would like to know exactly what the offence is. Meanwhile, we can have what appears to be breaches elsewhere which have actually resulted in infection, but no action taken. There is no consistency, and whether you consider him a twat or not, there are plenty of other very public instances where no action has been taken, after taking advice, apparently. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amadeus Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 19 minutes ago, Gladys said: Yes, I would be interested in exactly what the charge is, breaking covid rules won't cut it. So, if 20 people had turned up on Laxey beach entirely of their own volition would that be a gathering? What if they said "see you on Laxey beach tomorrow, at a distance so we can keep an eye out for each other and have a sense of communal enjoyment". That then is a crime? I don't know I am on the fence a bit with this, but I would like to know exactly what the offence is. Meanwhile, we can have what appears to be breaches elsewhere which have actually resulted in infection, but no action taken. There is no consistency, and whether you consider him a twat or not, there are plenty of other very public instances where no action has been taken, after taking advice, apparently. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, Gladys said: Yes, I would be interested in exactly what the charge is, breaking covid rules won't cut it. So, if 20 people had turned up on Laxey beach entirely of their own volition would that be a gathering? What if they said "see you on Laxey beach tomorrow, at a distance so we can keep an eye out for each other and have a sense of communal enjoyment". That then is a crime? I don't know I am on the fence a bit with this, but I would like to know exactly what the offence is. Meanwhile, we can have what appears to be breaches elsewhere which have actually resulted in infection, but no action taken. There is no consistency, and whether you consider him a twat or not, there are plenty of other very public instances where no action has been taken, after taking advice, apparently. Why wouldn’t breaking COVID rules cut it? It’s not like nobody knows what the rules are, such gatherings are a criminal offence and those committing the offence should expect to be dealt with accordingly.No fences to be sat on. Just because others may have got away with breaches it doesn’t mean they should be excused Where there is a degree of ambiguity then maybe “education “ is appropriate in the first instance, with enforcement to follow on a second occasion. But that’s not the case here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard the Duck MBE TBC Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Amadeus said: Posted yesterday, after the police attended and the social media coverage. Edited March 25, 2021 by Howard the Duck MBE TBC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amadeus Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Personally I prefer the Hassel Hoff method but each to their own. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, Amadeus said: Personally I prefer the Hassel Hoff method but each to their own. What pick up a fit Welsh bird? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Cambon said: Of course it is the vaccines! How could being in various stages on unbroken lockdown for over a year have any effect? You are one idiot & getting worse, like Courtney heading in reverse 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: Why wouldn’t breaking COVID rules cut it? It’s not like nobody knows what the rules are, such gatherings are a criminal offence and those committing the offence should expect to be dealt with accordingly.No fences to be sat on. Just because others may have got away with breaches it doesn’t mean they should be excused Where there is a degree of ambiguity then maybe “education “ is appropriate in the first instance, with enforcement to follow on a second occasion. But that’s not the case here Because there has to be specificy as to which rules are broken. Was it a gathering? Do we know what a gathering is? Does a gathering need to have common intent, or organisation? They are not the same thing. Like I say, I am on the fence, but taking a completely pragmatic view, the likely risk was minimal and it does appear draconian. The situation was always going to end badly when the police waded in with the first of the four Es yesterday. If he was sensible, he would have kept away. But he didn't, and to a degree, in the absence of clarity, perhaps he was perfectly within the law. Perhaps the police were exceeding their powers, or the powers they were acting under were invalid. It is all a bit vague, inconsistent and hypocritical. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barlow Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 3 hours ago, Gladys said: I can't find it, got a link please? Need my annual fix of ill-fitting speedos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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