Gladys Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: Fair point. Will do. Do you refute Gefs interpretation of events though? You referred to a transcript. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Gladys said: As I have said, no one denies the existence of a piece of paper, but whether it was in fact what it was purported to be will never be established because it no longer exists. So, we don't know if it was all it was said to be, or if DA was the victim of a fabrication or if someone else was. The point is, its use was a trigger point in the deterioration of relations. I am not sure DA was attacked over DrGlover's status, but his ire should have been directed at HR who had apparently misinformed him. In the grown up world, it was foolish and unforgiveable. If is all as you say then yes foolish but not unforgivable. Politicians have made much worse mistakes. “To err is human, to forgive divine” Im glad our politicians are human Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Gladys said: In the grown up world, it was foolish and unforgiveable. And also in the world of one who should be expected to display grace and judgement not only in Govt Office but also as an elected representative of the people. He also of course may have been put up to it and was too naive in his judgement. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, Gladys said: You referred to a transcript. Sorry should have said summary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 1 minute ago, The Voice of Reason said: If is all as you say then yes foolish but not unforgivable. Politicians have made much worse mistakes. “To err is human, to forgive divine” Im glad our politicians are human I was being kind. When you are in charge of tens of thousands of people's health, wealth and freedom, I would argue the expected standard is high. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Gladys said: I was being kind. When you are in charge of tens of thousands of people's health, wealth and freedom, I would argue the expected standard is high. Indeed but the expected standard can be high but not infallible. And I know this is going to attract all sorts of smartarse comments but I think our Government has not done too badly throughout this pandemic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham_N_Eggs Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 Just now, The Voice of Reason said: Sorry should have said summary You just seem to be purposely obfuscating the matter to move the focus on to the letter and away from the rest of the cluster fuck. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 1 minute ago, The Voice of Reason said: Sorry should have said summary Easy mistake I suppose, but there is a pretty fundamental difference between the two. A bit like whether someone is a contractor or employee, or what the directions mean for SP staff, or what is a travel, community or unexplained case, or what a bubble means within 24 hours of the announcement. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, Gladys said: You referred to a transcript. As an aside we'll probably not get the Hansard for a couple of weeks. Committees seem to get lowest priority and they've still got a Tynwald and a Keys to finish from earlier in the month and a Keys and I think a couple of LegCos they haven't even started yet. Add to that Easter and the Editor having spend her time gardening to keep her husband quiet and you're probably better listening to all 3 hours of it. And Gef says Rachel has got a lovely voice - what more recommendation do you need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 1 minute ago, The Voice of Reason said: No she talks about the letter It was without doubt that sooner or later you in particular would show up on here to deflect. Brown-nosing about a blameless administration, all conscience-free and above board... Even you must realise that all Ashford did was to wave a piece of paper and recite the alleged wording from that piece of paper, claiming it as gospel and proof of existence and unquestionable veracity. Were it a court of law that sort of behaviour would amount to hearsay, would hold no water, be inadmissible without proof of issue and issuer and would be laughed out of court. 2 minutes ago, Ham_N_Eggs said: You just seem to be purposely obfuscating the matter to move the focus on to the letter and away from the rest of the cluster fuck. Exactly... 1 minute ago, Gladys said: Easy mistake I suppose, but there is a pretty fundamental difference between the two. A bit like whether someone is a contractor or employee, or what the directions mean for SP staff, or what is a travel, community or unexplained case, or what a bubble means within 24 hours of the announcement. Excellent. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmanxpilot Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: Fair point. Will do. Do you refute Gefs interpretation of events though? To point you in the right direction...Lettergate starts @93:40 onwards @95:20 RG says 'IF somebody did write a letter...' Edited April 1, 2021 by madmanxpilot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: Indeed but the expected standard can be high but not infallible. And I know this is going to attract all sorts of smartarse comments but I think our Government has not done too badly throughout this pandemic. Well, you are entitled to your view, but in view of the evidence presented today, I would say our government have been extremely lucky. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Roger Mexico said: As an aside we'll probably not get the Hansard for a couple of weeks. Committees seem to get lowest priority and they've still got a Tynwald and a Keys to finish from earlier in the month and a Keys and I think a couple of LegCos they haven't even started yet. Add to that Easter and the Editor having spend her time gardening to keep her husband quiet and you're probably better listening to all 3 hours of it. And Gef says Rachel has got a lovely voice - what more recommendation do you need. I listened to most of it. It was the reference to a transcript being in existence already that I was questioning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daisy Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 26 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: No she talks about the letter What is your agenda... ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny F Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 27 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: Fair point. Will do. Do you refute Gefs interpretation of events though? Do you refute Refs interpretation of events? who gives a fuck what Gef has to say. give your head a wobble 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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