John Wright Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 39 minutes ago, Banker said: But the schools are back on 13th albeit not all pupils. You are probably right on isolation but Ashford said the data would be considered & if UK rates continue to plummet there’s no reason for 14/21 days when our peers are doing negative test on arrival & you’re free. We need a proper risk based arrival system. Just 2 years are back on 13th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Nom de plume said: Think the Liverpool current rate of infection is 29 in 100,000 Which is 4 times ours Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 20 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: Sewage would be no good for us because of people isolating in their own homes. A positive test might be from one of them (not a problem) or from someone you didn't know about (bad). Given that they don't even know where half the pipes are (see the Prom) I doubt they'd be reliable about being able to split thee cases. If you're going to used 'pooled' testing you don't need the speed of response of the lateral flow tests, you can just use normal PCR ones, which are much more reliable. In practice PCR is now cheap and fast enough that pooling isn't really required. True. Perhaps the sewage monitoring is about levels. So yes, its correct you wouldn't get zero if you have isolators and that's a valid point. However if you had a daily reading of concentration of virus in the pooperooney then it might tell you if infection rates were going up or down. We could get @Gladysto take some extra samples of poop for genomic sequencing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 3 minutes ago, John Wright said: Just 2 years are back on 13th Years 11 and 13 but in that's in addition to selected primary pupils. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 Just now, Happier diner said: Years 11 and 13 but in that's in addition to selected primary pupils. It’s still only about 10%. Stop bigging it up. You’re just as bad as those who want to stay in lockdown. I’m being pragmatic and reporting the facts reasonably. You’re just delivering hyperbowl by misrepresentation. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 My prediction based on nothing other than the previous lockdowns Schools and retail fully open 19th April Hairdressers beauty pubs hospitality open the 26th, however with the Bank Holiday weekend it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if they left pubs until the 3rd May. Like I say simply my outlook on it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 15 minutes ago, Major Rushen said: He didn’t say it doesn’t, he said there was not enough evidence as yet. I think I made the poi t many moons ago that vaccinated persons could still carry. The key is that the likelihood of catching it off a vaccinated person is much lower. Its basic biology. The virus invades your body whether you are vaccinated or not. The vaccine is not a barrier.. A vaccinated persons immune system will set to it more quickly and start zapping the virus before it multiplies to a great extent. An un vaccinated persons system might allow the virus to multiply to a greater extent before the immune system fights back. Your infectivity is proportional to the amount of virus in you so it's all adds up really. It will be possible but much less likely and for a much shorter period to transmit the virus. That's why travel firms and countries want vaccination passports. Its not a guarantee but lowers the risk. Probably at least 4 fold. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, John Wright said: It’s still only about 10%. Stop bigging it up. You’re just as bad as those who want to stay in lockdown. I’m being pragmatic and reporting the facts reasonably. You’re just delivering hyperbowl by misrepresentation. No way. I was just correcting you as you were slightly incorrect. Only slightly. FTR I support your pragmatism Edited April 6, 2021 by Happier diner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 28 minutes ago, quilp said: Israeli research suggests that vaccinated persons who become infected with covid appear to have 4 times less viral load than those not vaccinated... https://m.jpost.com/health-science/covid-19-vaccine-seems-to-reduce-viral-load-transmission-israeli-study-664181 That would make sense to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 22 minutes ago, the stinking enigma said: Perhaps you could explain it to me then. After all i am paying you. I’m not really sure I could explain it to you however much you paid me. A certain level of , how shall I put this, intelligence is required. This is by no means meant as an insult. We all have different strengths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 On 12/29/2020 at 7:27 PM, Happier diner said: I reckon you have misunderstood the vaccine. Vaccines work by teaching the body an immune response. Whether or not it prevents transmission is NOT KNOWN. It is not true that we know it does not prevent transmission, just that the medics are not sure that it does just yet. All other vaccines in history did so chance is it will but we will see. When we are vaccinated, virus still invade our system. However they do not establish themselves because our immune system attacks them and kills them off. I have been saying this for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 19 minutes ago, John Wright said: Just 2 years are back on 13th Plus all key workers & vulnerable children so will be a reasonable amount across all schools , also nurseries for same children Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 1 minute ago, The Voice of Reason said: I’m not really sure I could explain it to you however much you paid me. A certain level of , how shall I put this, intelligence is required. This is by no means meant as an insult. We all have different strengths. I can't believe i'm actually paying for this. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 1 minute ago, the stinking enigma said: I can't believe i'm actually paying for this. It’s a bit like sky sports when your team gets well beaten 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 30 minutes ago, Happier diner said: True. Perhaps the sewage monitoring is about levels. So yes, its correct you wouldn't get zero if you have isolators and that's a valid point. However if you had a daily reading of concentration of virus in the pooperooney then it might tell you if infection rates were going up or down. We could get @Gladysto take some extra samples of poop for genomic sequencing They should test the water in Laxey Bay. Might stop the swimmers. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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