IOM Covid removing restrictions

[piebaps]

2 hours ago, Newbie said:

As an aside, and since you mentioned it, why do you suppose we vaccinate elderly and vulnerable people against flu (not that the effects of flu are in any way comparable to Covid). 

Flu fatalities from a recent FOI FYI

 

[Banker]

For PK here’s one on excess cancer cases caused by Covid which will probably impact IOM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/inews.co.uk/news/health/cancer-deaths-uk-extra-covid-endoscopies-delayed-918204/amp

[P.K.]

3 minutes ago, Banker said:

Well it’s been widely reported but here’s one report from guardian just on heart deaths to November, 5000 plus say another pro rata 3000 by now, cancer similar.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/14/heart-disease-deaths-soar-in-england-covid
How many extra will die in IOM from the massive 3000+ endoscopy waiting lists or be in pain from similar orthopedic lists?

The piece says the number turning up in AE with heart problems halved. For the usual reasons all down to the pandemic. Same with other ailments.

It sounds heartless but the uptick seems to be self-inflicted...?

[code99]

1 hour ago, Newbie said:

At the height of a pandemic that was killing a high percentage of the elderly people affected, something had to be done to protect them. In the longer run, there are better ways of protecting them as we have seen, such as vaccination, but that takes a while to be effective. 

On the MF there have been a wide range of, often differing, opinions expressed over what should be done to combat Covid. Nevertheless, I am sure one thing we all agree on that we all hate Covid and how it has interfered with, and has actually taken the lives of so many people. In addition to the damage Covid infections inflict, the measures to control Covid are also having ongoing, sometimes devastating, impacts on our general health, mental wellbeing, finances, etc.

Becasue we have been living with the dammed thing for so long, by now, most people understand that the risks of becoming very ill and/or dying from Covid are, apart from people in the most vulnerable categories, actually quite low.  However, as much as we can postulate these comfortable 'academic thoughts', we are also likely to experience the nagging thought of, ''but what if I am one of the unfortunate ones?'' This nagging thought is especially likely to occur in people who know someone who has been badly affected by Covid. For these people, fear of catching this virus is definitely not like fear of catching the flu.

I know someone who is young and fit, and had no pre-existing health issues, became infected, and has now been suffering long Covid for almost a year. This person was never sick enough to be admitted to the hospital, but the ongoing impacts have been serious. For someone who does the Parish Walk on a regular basis not being able to claim a set of stairs due to chest pains and palpitations is debilitating, if not devastating. They have in many ways become a different person. This person is lucky in that they have a desk job and can work from home for now at least. 

I read an article this morning on Reuters that said a recent study has shown that 33% of Covid sufferers also suffer neurological and mental disorders. 

My point is that right now the medics still do not know the long term effects of Covid, so it is not surprising that some people, especially older people, will continue to feel frightened, even when we have all been 'jabbed' and the 'all clear' has been given. 

[Happier diner]

15 minutes ago, Banker said:

Well it’s been widely reported but here’s one report from guardian just on heart deaths to November, 5000 plus say another pro rata 3000 by now, cancer similar.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/14/heart-disease-deaths-soar-in-england-covid
 

How many extra will die in IOM from the massive 3000+ endoscopy waiting lists or be in pain from similar orthopedic lists?

Yes. It certainly seems to be getting out of balance.

[Apple]

28 minutes ago, Banker said:

For PK here’s one on excess cancer cases caused by Covid which will probably impact IOM

The case for the introduction of colorectal endoscopic screening proposed the saving of 4 to 6 lives per year from bowel cancer on the Isle of Man. That was 20 years ago and diagnostic and treatment regimes have vastly improved, but usually  it that process commences after screening.

Presumably all preventative screening procedures are continuing.

[Apple]

1 hour ago, pongo said:

Good. I like it when we are on the same wavelength.

Wasn't there something about cabbages in the programme....😁

[Banker]

8 minutes ago, Apple said:

The case for the introduction of colorectal endoscopic screening proposed the saving of 4 to 6 lives per year from bowel cancer on the Isle of Man. That was 20 years ago and diagnostic and treatment regimes have vastly improved, but usually  it that process commences after screening.

Presumably all preventative screening procedures are continuing.

All preventive screenings are presumably not continuing if there’s a 3000+ waiting list for endoscopy, same as UK reports mentioned happening there.

[Apple]

7 minutes ago, Banker said:

All preventive screenings are presumably not continuing if there’s a 3000+ waiting list for endoscopy, same as UK reports mentioned happening there.

Screening may be categorised according to urgent, soon and routine, if they are still using that grading system and then treated accordingly.

 

 

 

 

[Barlow]

  

8 hours ago, Marion Costel said:

 

 

If you strip out personality and money from the posting on top of this page; there are a lot of well thought through arguments on the things that matter: what the hard-line IOM covid response; the border closure and widespread jail sentencing of covid transgressors has achieved; and at what cost?

 

 

I can't deny, there are some good points made, a good well written post. Thank you.

So when things were looking a little bit shit, Filippo fucked off to Switzerland.

He didn't like this lockdown stuff. His type don't. He could nip to anywhere in the world, and yes, where better than to heave a lung full of bright fresh free mountain air than up on the ski slopes of Switzerland,. The uncrowded pistes marred only by the occasional group of semi-pleb nouveaux riche getting raucous on gluhwein.

But then, after the first lockdown, the Isle of Man managed months of glorious freedom. The strategy worked.

We was the best place in the world type thing. We really were.

Even better than Switzerland.

We didn't hear from the author during our not inconsiderable spell of Covid-free. Switzerland is nice of course, but Filippo had removed himself from the real oasis. Even skiing gets a wee bit boring after 12 months.

 

 

[Nom de plume]

15 minutes ago, Barlow said:

  

I can't deny, there are some good points made, a good well written post. Thank you.

So when things were looking a little bit shit, Filippo fucked off to Switzerland.

He didn't like this lockdown stuff. His type don't. He could nip to anywhere in the world, and yes, where better than to heave a lung full of bright fresh free mountain air than up on the ski slopes of Switzerland,. The uncrowded pistes marred only by the occasional group of semi-pleb nouveaux riche getting raucous on gluhwein.

But then, after the first lockdown, the Isle of Man managed months of glorious freedom. The strategy worked.

We was the best place in the world type thing. We really were.

Even better than Switzerland.

We didn't hear from the author during our not inconsiderable spell of Covid-free. Switzerland is nice of course, but Filippo had removed himself from the real oasis. Even skiing gets a wee bit boring after 12 months.

 

 

Incredibly condescending & extremely bitter. Give yourself a virtual ‘crab’ star.

[Andy Onchan]

20 minutes ago, Apple said:

Screening may be categorised according to urgent, soon and routine, if they are still using that grading system and then treated accordingly.

 

 

 

 

But the "routines" & "soon" will probably by now be heading north towards "urgent" and no doubt some will succumb in the process.  

[quilp]

1 hour ago, Mailman said:

Actually a very common term. Like you can count them on one hand etc. Its probably used by a large part of the general population. So I’d imagine it would only be a sad, useless, whining little cunt who would concoct such a mental argument. 

Uh-oh. 

[Utah 01]

3 hours ago, Newbie said:

unworthy of protection

You are right - nobody is unworthy of protection and the State is right to offer and provide it.  But that is where it should stop.

Of course, provide the medical support, advise and where necessary protect (in the short term) those at most risk.  But decisions about risk to the individual must be made by the individual and not be dictated upon the whim of a cabal of faceless government functionaries.

To deny to the overwhelming majority individual freedom to travel, to meet, to socially interact, to be employed to the extent of ensuring financial security for self and/or family, when all other reasonable steps have been taken to protect the vulnerable, is fundamentally wrong because of the potentially catastrophic long-term economic, medical and societal consequences.

[Mailman]

7 minutes ago, quilp said:

Uh-oh. 

Uh-oh yourself you fucking prick.