IOM Covid removing restrictions

[Cambon]

4 hours ago, Nom de plume said:

By the time they ease theirs we’ll be at zero & ready to move.

Exactly. They are ready to ease theirs now. By the time they move theirs, we will be ready, as they are now, and will move a couple of weeks later, as they are ready to do now. 

Do you have a problem with that? 

[Cambon]

1 hour ago, quilp said:

That's funny coz I was in there on Wednesday. 

Hang on, you are not saying BANKER IS WRONG, are you? 

[trmpton]

1 hour ago, Cambon said:

Exactly. They are ready to ease theirs now. By the time they move theirs, we will be ready, as they are now, and will move a couple of weeks later, as they are ready to do now. 

Do you have a problem with that? 

Why the need to get to elimination before opening the borders and letting cases in that we live with.  I don’t get it.

The people who need to be are vaccinated so why the clamour to get to zero simply so we can then go to mitigation? Is it a vanity thing?

Just open stuff up now and the borders in line with the CI’s

[Banker]

1 hour ago, Cambon said:

Exactly. They are ready to ease theirs now. By the time they move theirs, we will be ready, as they are now, and will move a couple of weeks later, as they are ready to do now. 

Do you have a problem with that? 

But they’re not easing now it’s 26th April, by which time we’ll be zero!! About the same time Howie says we will allow families but we don’t have a clear data led exit plan.

However  Howie has been instructed by Tynwald to return with a proper plan by 21st April Tynwald , so you had better get in bunker that day!!

[Cambon]

1 hour ago, trmpton said:

Why the need to get to elimination before opening the borders and letting cases in that we live with.  I don’t get it.

The people who need to be are vaccinated so why the clamour to get to zero simply so we can then go to mitigation? Is it a vanity thing?

Just open stuff up now and the borders in line with the CI’s

Due to the change in vaccination policy, most of those whom need to be vaccinated are only half vaccinated. That is the biggest mistake. Not vanity. It is simple. ONE SHOT IS NOT VACCINATION. 

CIs can do what they want. What they need. Our needs are different. However, the end result will be similar, and in a similar time frame. 

[Cambon]

1 hour ago, Banker said:

But they’re not easing now it’s 26th April, by which time we’ll be zero!! About the same time Howie says we will allow families but we don’t have a clear data led exit plan.

However  Howie has been instructed by Tynwald to return with a proper plan by 21st April Tynwald , so you had better get in bunker that day!!

Yes. And they are basically zero now, but waiting a couple of weeks. Wise move. So in a couple of weeks, we will be zero and then wait a couple of weeks. Wise move. Do you get it yet? We are a month behind. 

[trmpton]

1 hour ago, Cambon said:

Due to the change in vaccination policy, most of those whom need to be vaccinated are only half vaccinated. That is the biggest mistake. Not vanity. It is simple. ONE SHOT IS NOT VACCINATION. 

CIs can do what they want. What they need. Our needs are different. However, the end result will be similar, and in a similar time frame. 

The uk seem to be doing ok once a percentage have had a shot.

We cannot fall behind everywhere else.  We have been far too cautious through whilst at the same time not doing the simple things that would have helped hugely.

The iom approach has lacked compassion, foresight and common sense throughout.

[N3Wzk0nzum3r]

On 4/8/2021 at 6:23 PM, Utah 01 said:

At last, the penny has dropped!

In fairness to Johnson and Headboy Hancock it was their initial mantra: remember 'Save the NHS' that went on, in very short order, to expose its widespread inefficiencies and lack of preparedness for anything other than 'normal'.  But once the NHS had been saved first time around, other excuses had to be found such as 'foreign strains' and absurd (deceitful) statistics from the SAGE zealots to sustain the fear-factor in the population.

Similarly, it could be argued that a catastrophic failure of our Island system would have ensued had it not been for the first lockdown with an indeterminable load on Nobles - but then is not now. 

The crisis, thanks to vaccination, is over and as I wrote several weeks ago, given that COVID must now be treated like any other potentially dangerous illness for a very, very small percentage of our population, facilities must be put in place to deal with ongoing, although hopefully diminishing with time, CV care in the same manner as cardiac, cancer and mental health has been for decades.

This is a really good comment. While I'm not exactly a Johnson fan, it is a fact that it's not all his fault.

[Happier diner]

5 hours ago, trmpton said:

The uk seem to be doing ok once a percentage have had a shot.

We cannot fall behind everywhere else.  We have been far too cautious through whilst at the same time not doing the simple things that would have helped hugely.

The iom approach has lacked compassion, foresight and common sense throughout.

Whilst I generally agree. Let's not forget the UK has been in lockdown. The next few days/weeks will tell us more.

[Banker]

8 hours ago, Cambon said:

Yes. And they are basically zero now, but waiting a couple of weeks. Wise move. So in a couple of weeks, we will be zero and then wait a couple of weeks. Wise move. Do you get it yet? We are a month behind. 

But their policy & that of Guernsey was announced months ago & based on how many would be vaccinated not the cases they had. They did this to allow business & residents to plan so they knew exactly what isolation period would be from Southampton ,London,Manchester etc.

Do you not understand they have proper plans in place which are greatly appreciated by their residents whereas we have no clear plan which is not acceptable.

Dont worry you will get it soon!!

[Happier diner]

 

10 hours ago, trmpton said:

Why the need to get to elimination before opening the borders and letting cases in that we live with.  I don’t get it.

The people who need to be are vaccinated so why the clamour to get to zero simply so we can then go to mitigation? Is it a vanity thing?

Just open stuff up now and the borders in line with the CI’s

Yes. This is the bit I am confused about too. If we are going for mitigation, why are we clearly on a path to elimination. Ruining businesses, breaking the bank, cheesing everyone off, risking lives by not caring for our non covid ill, to then accept a background level. I suspect they are going to want everyone with two vaccine shots. That'll be another year of our lives over, never to get back.

10 hours ago, Banker said:

But they’re not easing now it’s 26th April, by which time we’ll be zero!! About the same time Howie says we will allow families but we don’t have a clear data led exit plan.

However  Howie has been instructed by Tynwald to return with a proper plan by 21st April Tynwald , so you had better get in bunker that day!!

Let's bloody well hope so. At the moment we (the population)  are floundering in a world of uncertainty. 

There isn't a no risk solution. Let's see a plan without rubbish levels of border opening that are just subjective nonsense. Let's see a plan that is borders open or borders closed with levels and measures that trigger each.

Edited April 10, 2021 by Happier diner

[Gladys]

There isn't anything that is risk free when it comes to managing covid.  It only becomes "risk free" when you ignore some of the risks, like the economy, non-covid health, mental wellbeing, etc. 

PM has a piece about how a woman returning to the island was apparently misled by her direction notice, 111 and the security staff on her return.  All pretty appalling and for what end?  All she wanted to do was self-isolate with her husband who had not left the island but who would also self-isolate. 

You can kind of tolerate individual injustices or miscommunications if there is a significant risk, but there wasn't either from them or from the wider covid presence.  

What happened to the couple whose husband had to live in a caravan or a tent because his wife had returned from having treatment in the UK?

[buncha wankas]

On 4/7/2021 at 3:03 PM, John Wright said:

Has Wrighty (sic) posted about this. Perhaps you’re confusing me with an unrelated ortho.

Yes and 😝you answered my query. Thank you   ✅

[madmanxpilot]

2 hours ago, Happier diner said:

 

Yes. This is the bit I am confused about too. If we are going for mitigation, why are we clearly on a path to elimination. Ruining businesses, breaking the bank, cheesing everyone off, risking lives by not caring for our non covid ill, to then accept a background level.

 

Perhaps they are looking to start the transition with a clean sheet? If cases crop up they will know they are fresh imports. That would be useful head start for contact tracing which is going to be with us for some time yet.

The further down the line we get with greater community protection through vaccines, the less important it will be to track trace and isolate.

[Major Rushen]

So what happens the next time a person who works in sea or air travel mixes with someone they shouldn’t goes home passes covid to family who pass it on to the school etc