Pipsqueak Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, Nomadic Raptor said: I want to get in early on bingo today I bet he says something about the missing 75 baskets at Kirby garden centre plenty of basket cases over here that's for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmanxpilot Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Roger Mexico said: No it's nonsense and proof that Ashford's expert medical advice is still being provided by Courtney Heading's cat or whatever. As often with Ashford you can see where it came from. A paper published in February states: A total of 103 (1.3%) patients developed acute ischemic stroke among 8163 patients with COVID-19. But this needs to be set in context of the whole paragraph: I have a lot of time and respect for the bloke, but I really do wish he'd stop talking about things that he's not qualified so to do. If he does insist, he at least needs to qualify it with 'it is my understanding, but would need to be confirmed by a clinician..' The pseudo doctor trait has become more apparent recently. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlebushy Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 That's his pub management experience kicking in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 3 hours ago, Newbie said: Well that is a different argument. We are talking about the tests done because people have chosen to travel and then chosen to have the tests rather than isolate for longer. You can easily argue the case that the tests should be free, in order to mitigate some of the travel difficulties brought about by the lockdown, and I would agree with that. But it isn't what the government have decided. The point I was making was that saying the tests cost the government £18.75 (as in Dr Glover's calculation) is inaccurate. If knowing the actual cost is considered important, it should be correctly calculated. But there are actually two separate questions being conflated here. The first is about how much should be charged for 'private' tests and indeed whether a charge should be made at all. Normally charging for tests for communicable disease, such as Covid, is seen as a very bad idea because you want to catch as many cases as possible before it spreads. That's why there don't seem to many places charging for them - at least not directly. But if you are going to charge for such tests in some circumstances, then the amount charged is always going to be arbitrary and based more on what the market will bear. In fact the whole approach to testing has been typically self-contradictory with us being told both that no one would choose to have have the test done voluntarily and that we have to restrict and charge for them, otherwise everyone will want them all the time. The second question is what the "actual cost" of a test is[1] and of course the obvious reply is "How long is a piece of string?". Creative accountancy can associate as many or as few costs as required in such a calculation - indeed large areas of the Manx economy are based on doing just that. This is probably one of the worst places on Earth to pretend that there is a definitive and honest answer and that it includes a long list of unchanging overheads. In reality the best approximation (and Rachel Glover's calculation was openly just that) is going to change depending on the circumstances. It is clearly nonsense to include things such as property costs when those existed before and would still have to be paid if there was no Covid crisis. If you're talking about the actual costs of a relatively small increase in tests then the sort of consumables-only calculation that Rachel made is probably the most appropriate. Higher increases would have additional staff costs, but mainly on the swabbing and 111 side because the lab processes are so highly automated. The real problem here, as in so much else, is that when such calculations are being done, it is to justify decisions already made, rather than to inform those decisions. [1] Obviously it should be "considered important" how much any such procedure costs in any financially competent organisation. Equally obviously the DHSC hasn't been such an organisation for years. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipsqueak Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 1 hour ago, madmanxpilot said: I have a lot of time and respect for the bloke, but I really do wish he'd stop talking about things that he's not qualified so to do. he'd have nothing to say then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Grumpy Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Roger Mexico said: Based on previous form, he'll just claim his words just didn't mean what they clearly do mean. Admitted that anyone in Manx Government is ever wrong about anything is forbidden. Especially if it's true. Here he's claiming that wearing masks has no discernible effect on infection spread... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KERED Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 3 hours ago, Gladys said: 2 should be expanded to cover the now meaningless first stat - number of tests completed since time immemorial. Anyone else got their bingo card? My four corners are: wrong, we, sorry, were. No hope. I'm gonna win it with: Hi-di-Hi The lady in question Thank you Chief Minister No - I have nothing to add. You have explained that beautifully. (and hasn't Molly got a lovely smile again today?) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Jet ski romance over, probably after her recent court cases!! https://www.three.fm/news/isle-of-man-news/jetski-romeo-couple-split/ 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nom de plume Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 HQ .... “The difficult subject of the borders” Hoping to have some news soon. Again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Nom de plume said: HQ .... “The difficult subject of the borders” Hoping to have some news soon. Again. Just said 3a end of April & moving to next stage shortly after with testing based on region traveling from , so copying Channel Islands 😀 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nom de plume Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Banker said: Just said 3a end of April & moving to next stage shortly after with testing based on region traveling from , so copying Channel Islands 😀 Pretty much. Going to be some fun in here come mid May 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, Nom de plume said: Pretty much. Going to be some fun in here come mid May 🤣 They’ve obviously listened to someone with common sense on borders and not the keep locked down brigade who only wanted borders open when whole island vaccinated!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chief Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 So adding in another layer of 'advisors' to polish the golden turd that was Howie's exit framework the best they can come up with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nom de plume Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Just now, The Chief said: So adding in another layer of 'advisors' to polish the golden turd that was Howie's exit framework the best they can come up with? It's called 'The Blame Game'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Nom de plume said: It's called 'The Blame Game'. It’s called taking advantage of expertise that may be available. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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