thesultanofsheight Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 8 hours ago, 360 View said: This is very true, but there are currently five flights a week from Guernsey, No that’s just people who have permits to come here. It excludes Guernsey travelers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 4 hours ago, Black Mirror said: As a further observation, I think that you, some others MF members posting on this thread, and the IOM government, are truly underestimating the consequences of not having free travel between the isle and the UK. Please understand that for some business and certain kinds of people, if the isle is cut off from the UK, then the isle is simply not viable. You may not understand the reasons, but that is simply how it is. Ok TJ. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Johnson Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 13 hours ago, thesultanofsheight said: Meanwhile we’re stuck with our “closed borders” and our unpoliced and yet claimed completely robust travel permit scheme and voluntary self isolation policy instead of actually testing and tracking people. Mad. https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/visitor-jailed-for-breaking-self-isolation-rules/ This makes no sense, I know 4 people now who are "key" workers that fly over and go to work the next day with no precautions except not going out to socialise in the evenings, i.e. they are only allowed to go to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Boris Johnson said: This makes no sense, I know 4 people now who are "key" workers that fly over and go to work the next day with no precautions except not going out to socialise in the evenings, i.e. they are only allowed to go to work. According to baker the key workers on promenade were different hats to distinguish them, not sure what they do at night?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Boris Johnson said: This makes no sense, I know 4 people now who are "key" workers that fly over and go to work the next day with no precautions except not going out to socialise in the evenings, i.e. they are only allowed to go to work. It seems you can be a key worker and pretty much do what you like to get the job done, but key economy drivers have to stay locked up for 14 days even if they don't have Covid and present no risk to anyone. That makes no sense as the theoretical transmission risk is exactly the same. So someone coming over to dig a hole in the ground is deemed to be more important than somebody trying to keep a business afloat and employ many people and pay taxes into government coffers. Edited August 20, 2020 by thesultanofsheight 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nom de plume Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 6 minutes ago, thesultanofsheight said: It seems you can be a key worker and pretty much do what you like to get the job done, but key economy drivers have to stay locked up for 14 days even if they don't have Covid and present no risk to anyone. That makes no sense as the theoretical transmission risk is exactly the same. So someone coming over to dig a hole in the ground is deemed to be more important than somebody trying to keep a business afloat and employ many people and pay taxes into government coffers. This - with bells on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/reporting-self-isolation-breaches-key-to-keeping-island-covid-free/ basically police are relying on snitching to catch anyone as no calls made!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyWolf Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 Tuning into Wints mannin line the other day it seems the covid team is doing very little in the way of proper checks and balances according to most of the listeners. I’ve heard the covid team is run by ex high ranking pension takers being one retired police officer and one retired fire officer, ( I stand to be corrected) well to me it doesn’t seem well managed at all ( be interesting to know whats there salary) but isn’t that the norm in good old IOM. Let it be said I’ve no problem with gov re employing retired personnel if they cut the mustard but on past history very few are up to it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nom de plume Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Banker said: https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/reporting-self-isolation-breaches-key-to-keeping-island-covid-free/ basically police are relying on snitching to catch anyone as no calls made!! It is quite obviously a flawed policy reliant on trust. An entry test (24/48 hr result & follow up) at least mitigates. Why people can’t see that baffles me. Edited August 20, 2020 by Nom de plume Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 You could argue it is a good thing that the government are relying on 'trust'. I mean, over the top authoritarianism is no good for anyone. If you travel you have an obligation to isolate on your return, you sign a contract of sorts to say so. Obviously people are twats and so there will be breaches, but the trust thing is pretty important I'd say. It's trying to treat people as responsible decent human beings in a very tricky time. There should definitely be some kind of testing situation available a few days after arrival though, and more checks on people who are supposedly isolating. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hissingsid Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 There are people getting permits to travel to the Island for the flimsiest of reasons, staying with parents for a nice break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Nom de plume said: It is quite obviously a flawed policy reliant on trust. An entry test (24/48 hr result & follow up) at least mitigates. Why people can’t see that baffles me. Because it's not true. And if you think about it you'll see why. If the government isn't capable of managing a simple system of quarantine, how is it going to cope with a more complex one involving a large amount of testing? Rather than mitigating the situation, all it would do is increase the likelihood of an outbreak of Covid-19 and collapse the economy again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Roger Mexico said: Because it's not true. And if you think about it you'll see why. If the government isn't capable of managing a simple system of quarantine, how is it going to cope with a more complex one involving a large amount of testing? Rather than mitigating the situation, all it would do is increase the likelihood of an outbreak of Covid-19 and collapse the economy again. Sorry athats completely wrong, we do have capacity for testing and the person in charge has said so. Testing is way to go and heathrow airport are pushing to trial it for U.K. Arrivals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 8 minutes ago, Banker said: Sorry athats completely wrong, we do have capacity for testing and the person in charge has said so. Could you please show me where that has been said? And who by? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 3 hours ago, Nom de plume said: It is quite obviously a flawed policy reliant on trust. An entry test (24/48 hr result & follow up) at least mitigates. Why people can’t see that baffles me. Tick feckin Tock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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