TerryFuchwit Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 25 minutes ago, Itsmeee said: I am a civil servant. I have been working my full hours, and then some, from home with remote access during lockdown. My partner, also a CS has been working 12-14 hour days and also doing stuff at the weekends, again at home with remote access. Please don’t tar us all with the same brush, the majority of us are conscientious and hard working. We are both back in the office this week. I know a few civil servants (I'm gonna say about 5 because when anyone uses that number Pongo links them all together and says they're the same person). Those people have been working very hard and very long hours. There are people working for government taking the piss. Just like there is in every industry and job I can think of. It's human nature. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesypeas Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, John Wright said: Yes, but as there are no direct flights from anywhere you have to set it as transit via LHR. The info about IOM or CI or Ireland as ultimate destination doesn’t appear. So it tells whoever uses it that they have to pay for the 2 test UK package. Here is UK NHS track & Test and Routing official advice. Im sorry for poor copy quality Yes John, but it does at least tell you what’s what in the IOM. Incidentally, the travel doc link was put together by Air France / KLM. It’s the most comprehensive tool we’ve found. Handy for anyone who wishes to travel. Someone mentioned Timatic earlier. We use that in our day to day business, but traveldoc is more flexible in terms of criteria. Just thought it would be of interest. Residents of the Isle of Man must register to travel to the Isle of Man and quarantine for 14 days on arrival, due to the outbreak of Covid-19. Residents must also complete a Landing Form within 48 hours prior to arrival. Passengers must hold an Exemption Certificate prior to travelling to the Isle of Man and quarantine for 14 days on arrival, due to the outbreak of Covid-19. This does not apply to residents of the Isle of Man. Edited April 20, 2021 by cheesypeas 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 37 minutes ago, John Wright said: It isn’t. They appear attached to agendas and supplemental agendas contemporaneously with distribution to members. That's what should happen and usually does. But listen to the second clip in the Manx Radio report. Quayle clearly says that "it won't be going out to the public Mr Speaker until Tynwald has agreed it". He promised to circulate it among Members but not more widely. Presumably they will do this by not tabling the Supplementary Order Paper till the last possible minute and then hoping that Tynwald staff will be busy with the sitting and unable to update the website. Certainly the second SOP isn't on the website yet (the first one seems to be all the stuff they forgot to get approved or extended during lockdown). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trmpton Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 https://www.three.fm/news/coronavirus/iom-travel-restrictions-to-be-lifted-by-june-28/?fbclid=IwAR3ciJoha-_4zMjzPG5usSL1XPTpLW9puQ08MEWb30a18OyNvZln_1vukd4 far too slow 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: That's what should happen and usually does. But listen to the second clip in the Manx Radio report. Quayle clearly says that "it won't be going out to the public Mr Speaker until Tynwald has agreed it". He promised to circulate it among Members but not more widely. Presumably they will do this by not tabling the Supplementary Order Paper till the last possible minute and then hoping that Tynwald staff will be busy with the sitting and unable to update the website. Certainly the second SOP isn't on the website yet (the first one seems to be all the stuff they forgot to get approved or extended during lockdown). Don’t they do something similar with budget papers, give members copy but embargo them & don’t put on Tynwald site until after treasury ministers speech? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 27 minutes ago, cheesypeas said: Yes John, but it does at least tell you what’s what in the IOM. Incidentally, the travel doc link was put together by Air France / KLM. It’s the most comprehensive tool we’ve found. Handy for anyone who wishes to travel. Someone mentioned Timatic earlier. We use that in our day to day business, but traveldoc is more flexible in terms of criteria. Just thought it would be of interest. Residents of the Isle of Man must register to travel to the Isle of Man and quarantine for 14 days on arrival, due to the outbreak of Covid-19. Residents must also complete a Landing Form within 48 hours prior to arrival. Passengers must hold an Exemption Certificate prior to travelling to the Isle of Man and quarantine for 14 days on arrival, due to the outbreak of Covid-19. This does not apply to residents of the Isle of Man. Yes, but the issue we are discussing is how to ensure check in staff in foreign parts know that if a passenger is travelling on to the IOM they don’t need to buy the UK test package to board the leg to IOM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, trmpton said: https://www.three.fm/news/coronavirus/iom-travel-restrictions-to-be-lifted-by-june-28/?fbclid=IwAR3ciJoha-_4zMjzPG5usSL1XPTpLW9puQ08MEWb30a18OyNvZln_1vukd4 far too slow Yes but only 7 days from May1 , Cambon & Pongo will be panicking now!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesypeas Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Just now, John Wright said: Yes, but the issue we are discussing is how to ensure check in staff in foreign parts know that if a passenger is travelling on to the IOM they don’t need to buy the UK test package to board the leg to IOM Never going to happen John. We get passengers stopped all over the World every week, simply because check in staff misinterpret the rules. Not specifically destination IOM, but all over. Unfortunately you are at the mercy of the bod on the desk on the day. Even Border Force UK are hopeless. We’ve advised them of their own rules a few times, because they simply don’t understand them. Some of them couldn’t find their own ass with two hands. All very frustrating for all concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 14 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: That's what should happen and usually does. But listen to the second clip in the Manx Radio report. Quayle clearly says that "it won't be going out to the public Mr Speaker until Tynwald has agreed it". He promised to circulate it among Members but not more widely. Presumably they will do this by not tabling the Supplementary Order Paper till the last possible minute and then hoping that Tynwald staff will be busy with the sitting and unable to update the website. Certainly the second SOP isn't on the website yet (the first one seems to be all the stuff they forgot to get approved or extended during lockdown). It’s published now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, Banker said: Don’t they do something similar with budget papers, give members copy but embargo them & don’t put on Tynwald site until after treasury ministers speech? Yes but that's because advance notice of budget content might be used to gain financial benefit or avoid intended government action. A matter of strategy shouldn't involve any of that. You' may be right though that that is the model they are working from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 So, err, here... https://covid19.gov.im/media/1573/exit-framework.pdf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Here’s the Manx radio update as well , brilliant news, copying Channel Islands as predicted!! https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/borders-could-be-fully-open-by-end-of-june/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, cheesypeas said: Never going to happen John. We get passengers stopped all over the World every week, simply because check in staff misinterpret the rules. Not specifically destination IOM, but all over. Unfortunately you are at the mercy of the bod on the desk on the day. Even Border Force UK are hopeless. We’ve advised them of their own rules a few times, because they simply don’t understand them. Some of them couldn’t find their own ass with two hands. All very frustrating for all concerned. I agree. Snowman was adamant TIMATIC would work if Howard shouted. And it’s why I’ve suggested, several times, to buy the UK test package. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham_N_Eggs Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 18 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: That's what should happen and usually does. But listen to the second clip in the Manx Radio report. Quayle clearly says that "it won't be going out to the public Mr Speaker until Tynwald has agreed it". He promised to circulate it among Members but not more widely. There is a simple reason for why this was said by Quayle - he is a fool. Even the budget is only confidential until the Treasury Minister finishes his speech. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trmpton Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 They don't like concise and bullet points do they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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