TerryFuchwit Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 7 hours ago, P.K. said: So you don't know if it's Level 3A or 3B either. I'm a bit surprised about that... What is the testing strategy, with test schedules and costings, in the paper to Tynwald? Busy people like me always appreciate an Exec Summary. Thanks. There's absolutely zero chance you're busy. None at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 9 hours ago, Kopek said: Is it absolutely necessary to have a Spanish holiday at this particular time in the covid period? Should we be happy that we can once again visit relatives in the UK?..... and stick to that for now? No one from UK or IOM can visit Spain or most of Europe as visitors not permitted without compelling reasons. So until Boris permits travel 17/05 at earliest & European countries let you in it’s not happening. Probably June . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trmpton Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Obviously the vaccine is the main difference, but apart from that the rest of what she says is actually correct. There was zero justification for keeping friends and family away with isolation . None at all https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/exit-plan-which-predicts-june-border-date-set-for-tynwald-debate/ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Do some exercise & you cut your chances of infection & death from virus by a lot. https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/covid-19-regular-exercise-may-cut-covid-19-death-risk-by-a-third-major-study-finds-12281648 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nom de plume Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 23 minutes ago, Banker said: No one from UK or IOM can visit Spain or most of Europe as visitors not permitted without compelling reasons. So until Boris permits travel 17/05 at earliest & European countries let you in it’s not happening. Probably June . Portugal has an outside chance of making ‘the list’ 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 58 minutes ago, TerryFuchwit said: There's absolutely zero chance you're busy. None at all. That's a very bold statement from someone who can't possibly know... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Nom de plume said: Make no mistake, we are fully open end of May. The U.K. prevalence barring a catastrophe will be well below 30 in 100,000. It already is. I’m glad my emails to CoMin & Tynwald made a difference, albeit a very, very tiny one. What a great morning! Whilst I generally support your views and I am certainly in the get the 'boarders' open asap, one thing that confuses me is why we keep getting positives from returning travellers. Surely, if the real infection rate in the UK is that low we wouldn't be getting this many and they would be rare. Just a thought. One thing though is true. Last summer there was an opportunity (albeit quite short) when we could have relaxed the border restriction significantly and we didn't. We hid away. Look back to Aug20, it was lower than it is now. We don't want to do that again by dithering over a decision. It takes a day or so to put restrictions on so why does it take months to take them off? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trmpton Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Just now, Happier diner said: Whilst I generally support your views and I am certainly in the get the 'boarders' open asap, one thing that confuses me is why we keep getting positives from returning travellers. Surely, if the real infection rate in the UK is that low we wouldn't be getting this many and they would be rare. Just a thought. One thing though is true. Last summer there was an opportunity (albeit quite short) when we could have relaxed the border restriction significantly and we didn't. We hid away. Look back to Aug20, it was lower than it is now. We don't want to do that again by dithering over a decision. It takes a day or so to put restrictions on so why does it take months to take them off? The infection rate in the UK is not even close to being reflected in the testing. We test everyone coming in, they don't get everyone every day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarley Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 8 hours ago, Barlow said: All I can say, in brief, is only a knacker would be considering going on a foreign holiday this year. Why would people who dispatch and/or collect dead farm animals be the only ones considering going on a foreign holiday? But seriously, I'm of a similar opinion regarding foreign travel. Some here seem so certain that we truly are at the tail end of this. For example; "Plenty of people will have covid in future. Most won't know. And most won't feel any material impact." I sincerely hope this is correct. However, this is a global problem and many places aren't doing as well as the British Isles and Europe. New variants pose a huge unknown in that we don't know if the current vaccines will be effective against them. Even if the boffins manage to tweak them in a timely manner, we still have to get them into people's arms. To be clear, I'm not against the relaxation of the borders. However I don't think we can afford to smugly believe covid is no longer a threat. we have to remain vigilant and we're going to have to rely on people's common sense and sense of social responsibility. I suppose that's what worries me most. Common sense isn't really all that common, and too many people are of the "I'm alright Jack" opinion 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 I am not going on a foreign holiday this year but I will be going to see family in the UK who we haven't seen for 14 months now and hopefully crowds at the football will be back come August so I can go there to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 1 hour ago, John Wright said: Either or. Just like 21/14 now Have to say I'm disappointed in IOMG. Their first effort with it's pointless graphics etc looked to me like the sort of glossy you get from a developer who is putting together a new business park. The recent effort, although thankfully short, raised questions in my mind. It shouldn't. So I looked through IOMG's websites but couldn't find anything that would put meat on the bones. Border Level 3 - is that 3A or 3B Reintroduction of seven day pathway option - what does this actually mean? Etc. When folks are not sure what is what they can fall foul of the regulations. The start point of any announcements should always be that the intended audience know nothing so they need clear, unambiguous instructions on what is what. It's not rocket science... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, trmpton said: The infection rate in the UK is not even close to being reflected in the testing. We test everyone coming in, they don't get everyone every day. That's exactly my point. Doesn't that mean quoting the Infection rate is pointless then? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Just now, P.K. said: Have to say I'm disappointed in IOMG. Their first effort with it's pointless graphics etc looked to me like the sort of glossy you get from a developer who is putting together a new business park. The recent effort, although thankfully short, raised questions in my mind. It shouldn't. So I looked through IOMG's websites but couldn't find anything that would put meat on the bones. Border Level 3 - is that 3A or 3B Reintroduction of seven day pathway option - what does this actually mean? Etc. When folks are not sure what is what they can fall foul of the regulations. The start point of any announcements should always be that the intended audience know nothing so they need clear, unambiguous instructions on what is what. It's not rocket science... It’s neither 3A or 3B. They’re redefining in the new document. The exit strategy isn’t the regulations. It’s a broad brush framework, We had a seven pathway day option in August. 7 days isolation, negative test, released. The regulations will be published before ( perhaps ) they come into effect. They’ll be clear and unambiguous ( perhaps) Isolation affecting your brain cells? This type of document needs to be wooly and vague. Room for manoeuvre/change. I’m surprised, on dates, they haven’t said “not before”. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trmpton Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, Happier diner said: That's exactly my point. Doesn't that mean quoting the Infection rate is pointless then? Yes, always has been. The only relevant figure is deaths. Increase testing = increased cases. Reduce testing = reduced cases. If they doubled their testing capacity tomorrow then the figures will go back up. I don't know if the twice weekly free tests have rolled out yet, but am.assuning that our figure is based on proper lab tests only and not lateral flow tests done at home? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trmpton Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 1 minute ago, John Wright said: Isolation affecting your brain cells? Any need? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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