the stinking enigma Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 (edited) This confused me a bit. If they were at the same station i don't see how they would not link them. Even if on different shifts? Edited April 21, 2021 by the stinking enigma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 53 minutes ago, Banker said: Here’s one from USA I previously posted but shows only 5800 infections in 77m vaccinated people https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1264186 Yes. The USA has done well, by following manufacturers recommended dosage schedule of 3/4 weeks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 8 minutes ago, Cambon said: Yes. The USA has done well, by following manufacturers recommended dosage schedule of 3/4 weeks FFS you’re back on that hobby horse again!! SO are the UK by spreading out to 10/12 weeks!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 16 minutes ago, Banker said: Well there’s only 2 households involved so if 3 from fire station obviously 2 at least must be related The additional cases appear to be a male 10-14, a female 20-24 and another female 15-19. That's in addition to the two males (50-54 and 40-44) mentioned earlier. The youngest is presumable the school pupil, presumably the girl has already left school. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 '' Stop giving the figures''????? If we are to manage our own safety during mitigation, how can we do so without figures and details? 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, Banker said: FFS you’re back on that hobby horse again!! SO are the UK by spreading out to 10/12 weeks!! Only time will tell if the UK are doing well, if we are dong well. As someone posted a page or two ago, one of the people who is rather ill with Covid was vaccinated two weeks ago. If as someone else put, efficacy is 80-90% after 4 weeks, one would expect a reasonable amount of protection after 2 weeks. The two don't add up. Single dose can give good efficacy after around 8 weeks. But there is no way it is as high as 80% . If it was, they would not bother with second doses and get those shots out to places like Brazil and India where they are really needed! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 The fundamental question, and it may not be one there's yet an answer to, is the level at which it can functionally circulate. It's still easy for entire schools/businesses to be shut down under current rule and regulation. So, do we have an ebb and flow of these closures, or do we let it run through a bit more? What about someone that's had it, that then gets flagged to isolate? Or someone who has been vaccinated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trmpton Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 10 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said: The fundamental question, and it may not be one there's yet an answer to, is the level at which it can functionally circulate. It's still easy for entire schools/businesses to be shut down under current rule and regulation. So, do we have an ebb and flow of these closures, or do we let it run through a bit more? What about someone that's had it, that then gets flagged to isolate? Or someone who has been vaccinated? Good luck getting a self employed person who is on the brink to isolate with no financial support. They need to sort that ASAP or people will hide symptoms 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 3 hours ago, rachomics said: That figure really depends on the brand and type of vaccination given? Even with the figure you're quoting that would mean that 20% of the people who have had their first dose have no immunity and they don't know it. Of course that’s not what it means. In a swabbing study there were only 20% of the number of positive tests in those vaccinated with one dose compared with the unvaccinated group. It isn’t that 80% are fully covered and 20% not at all. https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0329-COVID-19-Vaccines.html 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 23 minutes ago, Cambon said: Only time will tell if the UK are doing well, if we are dong well. As someone posted a page or two ago, one of the people who is rather ill with Covid was vaccinated two weeks ago. If as someone else put, efficacy is 80-90% after 4 weeks, one would expect a reasonable amount of protection after 2 weeks. The two don't add up. Single dose can give good efficacy after around 8 weeks. But there is no way it is as high as 80% . If it was, they would not bother with second doses and get those shots out to places like Brazil and India where they are really needed! The person who is ill was a patient transfer so major underlying health issues. Glad that see you have enough knowledge to question CDC findings & a medical opinion!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 6 minutes ago, Banker said: The person who is ill was a patient transfer so major underlying health issues. Glad that see you have enough knowledge to question CDC findings & a medical opinion!! Is that not the point of debate, to question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piebaps Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 1 hour ago, the stinking enigma said: This confused me a bit. If they were at the same station i don't see how they would not link them. Even if on different shifts? Ramsey is an unmanned station with retained firefighters. There are no shifts as such. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 56 minutes ago, Cambon said: If as someone else put, efficacy is 80-90% after 4 weeks, one would expect a reasonable amount of protection after 2 weeks Except that the person would have caught covid a week or so ago in order to be testing positive now. That would only be a week after vaccination, when the level of protection would still be very low. It takes time for immunity to develop after a vaccination - longer than a week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 48 minutes ago, Banker said: The person who is ill was a patient transfer so major underlying health issues. Glad that see you have enough knowledge to question CDC findings & a medical opinion!! So they walked off the plane, out of the airport and into A&E ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Kopek said: '' Stop giving the figures''????? If we are to manage our own safety during mitigation, how can we do so without figures and details? I don't pay a blind bit of attention to figures and details, don't give a stuff about them tbh. I take care of myself, expect others to do the same, and I make a point of not relying on government advice or strategies. I've had no probs so far. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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