Mr Roboto Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 29 minutes ago, P.K. said: you should avoid using terms like "the death toll in India is likely more due to institutionally corrupt things" when you don't really know.... I’m not sure that I need to avoid any terms to be honest. What in reality do you really know? I know quite a lot about operating and doing business with India and the general state of everyday corruption, chaos, and poverty within Indian cities which seems to be firmly exacerbating the death toll here. May I ask on what experience you are posting your view that I should avoid stating an opinion on things as I see them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 8 hours ago, Cambon said: You are free to leave anytime you like. You will just struggle to find somewhere to stay in the UK, and anywhere else that will allow you to arrive, except Jersey and Guernsey. When you want to come home, expect to test and isolate just like nearly everywhere. You are a lunatic! The Manx are free! Just nowhere they can go! Why don't you get it yet? What do you mean isolate like everywhere else, the only place in uk you have to isolate for traveling to uk is Guernsey & that changes on 15/05 when they join Jersey in isolating until negative test ie c12 hours. And lots of places are open in uk , 1000s of self catering ranging from 1 bed to mansions with similar of outside restaurants, hotels etc opening 17/05 although you said it wouldn’t happen! we have 7 days plus 3 more days of lack of freedom to visit. You don’t seem to grasp basics very well. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipsqueak Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 9 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said: “ Honesty, openness and transparency “ What makes you think not delivered? Tynwald broadcast on national radio, Hansard, COVID media briefings,FOI act etc etc. Hardly North Korea is it? it is what's not said that was the point, not the pantomime scripts played out in tynwald for us. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 7 hours ago, P.K. said: The important bit is that even emerging Thirld World countries can feel real heartache and pain at a very obvious human tragedy. So rather than trying to apportion blame based on a report by one of the most disreputable so-called media outlets in the UK, recently quite rightly described as an "open sewer" of so-called "news", you should avoid using terms like "the death toll in India is likely more due to institutionally corrupt things" when you don't really know.... Bit rich coming from someone that blames Bojo personally for everything bad about the UK’s pandemic experience. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryFuchwit Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 7 hours ago, Mr Roboto said: I’m not sure that I need to avoid any terms to be honest. What in reality do you really know? I know quite a lot about operating and doing business with India and the general state of everyday corruption, chaos, and poverty within Indian cities which seems to be firmly exacerbating the death toll here. May I ask on what experience you are posting your view that I should avoid stating an opinion on things as I see them? And.......he's back 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryFuchwit Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 55 minutes ago, Banker said: What do you mean isolate like everywhere else, the only place in uk you have to isolate for traveling to uk is Guernsey & that changes on 15/05 when they join Jersey in isolating until negative test ie c12 hours. And lots of places are open in uk , 1000s of self catering ranging from 1 bed to mansions with similar of outside restaurants, hotels etc opening 17/05 although you said it wouldn’t happen! we have 7 days plus 3 more days of lack of freedom to visit. You don’t seem to grasp basics very well. The 3 more days is pointless and won't be adhered to. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatnonsence Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 11 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said: Exactly. Neither the Government or the Steam Packet wanted to bring back COVID to the Island,There were misunderstandings no doubt. But these are exceptional times and as such we need to see the bigger picture. A baying mob calling for resignations is not the right response. Some on here sneer when it is said lessons can be learned from such situations. Well this is exactly such a situation and provides the opportunity to learn and put new protocols in place, for example not relying on verbal evidence. Its a time for reconciliation not reprisals There are no resignations no one ever pays in this land of milk and honey, the gravy train and its public servants carry on regardless. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trmpton Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, TerryFuchwit said: The 3 more days is pointless and won't be adhered to. The whole 10 days is pointless and won't be adhered to. I was speaking to someone already who has family coming who plan to completely ignore it. Why should we carry on with this nonsense when Channel Islands are scrapping it? Just open up for unrestricted British travel (and ROI) with a clear test required on arrival. Give the airlines confidence to get routes running again and let's have a great summer season. Open up in the next couple of weeks and every seat will be full in both directions and hotels etc can try and start earning again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 8 hours ago, P.K. said: The important bit is that even emerging Thirld World countries can feel real heartache and pain at a very obvious human tragedy. So rather than trying to apportion blame based on a report by one of the most disreputable so-called media outlets in the UK, recently quite rightly described as an "open sewer" of so-called "news", you should avoid using terms like "the death toll in India is likely more due to institutionally corrupt things" when you don't really know.... https://www.transparency.org/en/press/2020-corruption-perceptions-index-reveals-widespread-corruption-is-weakening-covid-19-response-threatening-global-recovery 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x-in-man Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 Redactions = coverups 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 31 minutes ago, TerryFuchwit said: The 3 more days is pointless and won't be adhered to. 23 minutes ago, trmpton said: The whole 10 days is pointless and won't be adhered to. I was speaking to someone already who has family coming who plan to completely ignore it. Why should we carry on with this nonsense when Channel Islands are scrapping it? Just open up for unrestricted British travel (and ROI) with a clear test required on arrival. Give the airlines confidence to get routes running again and let's have a great summer season. Open up in the next couple of weeks and every seat will be full in both directions and hotels etc can try and start earning again. I do agree with you. However it's only just May. Maybe a teeny bit of patience is what we need. My heart agrees with you but my head says we can get some folks past their 2nd jab. Maybe the O60s. Personally I'd get the 2nd jabs in after 10weeks. It's a compromise and probably a safe one. If we get a commitment for end of may then I would be happy with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 12 hours ago, pongo said: Our free movement ended with Brexit. How do you come to that conclusion. There is no restriction to travelling to Europe since Brexit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 58 minutes ago, x-in-man said: Redactions = coverups Redactions = removing sensitive information and protecting confidential information Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 1 minute ago, The Voice of Reason said: Redactions = removing sensitive information and protecting confidential information Which is necessary as this could become a criminal investigation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 It seems a little bit petty to me to redact the entire thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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