IOM Covid removing restrictions

[Mr Roboto]

16 minutes ago, Ham_N_Eggs said:

Read this. You might be enlightened by what lessons were learned from SARS in the East for SARS-CoV-2 aka COVID-19 that the West ignored. 

That’s time dated 2003. The political climate in places like China and Hong Kong or Singapore is much different now. Lockdowns have especially helped the floundering HK government suppress student protests in line with the line of travel China has set for transformation. I’m not sure that generally translates well to measures to be applied in London, Manchester or the IOM in 2021. 

Edited May 1, 2021 by Mr Roboto

[Cambon]

4 hours ago, Mr Roboto said:

You really won’t at all. Unless someone is trying to book their usual 5 days in Royston Vasey. Why would essential workers be clogging up hotels either that is literally just made up. 

Essential workers are not clogging up hotels. Hotels are only allowed to accept them as residents. 

The prblem is that right now, (not in a couple of weeks, like in Bankers brain) uk accommodation is really at a premium. Yes,  there is apparently loads available online, provided you don't mind staying 100 miles from  where you want to be. 

I am not being negative. Please just simply be patient. 

 

[Non-Believer]

The Far East (Taiwan in particular) had taken heed of the SARS outbreak and had protocols and procedures in place (7 Covid deaths in total?) They locked down hard and fast to give them space and time to take the next steps.

The West was ill-prepared and ill-equipped, then it allowed economic and political concerns to take precedence. 

[Mr Roboto]

1 minute ago, Non-Believer said:

The Far East (Taiwan in particular) had taken heed of the SARS outbreak and had protocols and procedures in place (7 Covid deaths in total?) They locked down hard and fast to give them space and time to take the next steps.

We locked down hard and fast too. Remember that? Border controls and over 50 people thrown in prison. Nobody did anything for months under threat of ending up in Jurby. Has it really made any difference to the outcome now which is - go about your business managing your own risks with 2 people in hospital. 

[Non-Believer]

1 minute ago, Mr Roboto said:

We locked down hard and fast too. Remember that? Border controls and over 50 people thrown in prison. Nobody did anything for months under threat of ending up in Jurby. Has it really made any difference to the outcome now which is - go about your business managing your own risks with 2 people in hospital. 

I was comparing more to the UK approach, but we were just a microcosm extension of that. Our approach was stuttering at best.

7 deaths out of how many million population (Taiwan) compared with 130,000-odd deaths out of 74 million population tells its own story in respect of success of the approach taken? But it could have been a lot, lot worse over here. That sea border has a lot to be thanked for, albeit with the odd leak.

[Mr Roboto]

1 minute ago, Non-Believer said:

I was comparing more to the UK approach, but we were just a microcosm extension of that. Our approach was stuttering at best.

7 deaths out of how many million population (Taiwan) compared with 130,000-odd deaths out of 74 million population tells its own story in respect of success of the approach taken? But it could have been a lot, lot worse over here. That sea border has a lot to be thanked for, albeit with the odd leak.

I’m not sure it does. In Asia they don’t people farm the elderly. Few of the old and vulnerable are in ‘homes’ which are infection magnets. They’re living with family who assume the risks and take the risks to protect in an isolated environment. Equally they’re controlled economies. They don’t care if you lose your job or if you end up destitute or if you commit suicide. There’s no MERA in China. You’re just a lockdown casualty and as they control the media nobody will ever know. But by stopping you going out likely nobody will ever find out if you actually killed yourself or not. That example is ancient based on the SARS outbreak of 2003 it’s got nothing to do with what applies now. 

[Banker]

39 minutes ago, Cambon said:

Essential workers are not clogging up hotels. Hotels are only allowed to accept them as residents. 

The prblem is that right now, (not in a couple of weeks, like in Bankers brain) uk accommodation is really at a premium. Yes,  there is apparently loads available online, provided you don't mind staying 100 miles from  where you want to be. 

I am not being negative. Please just simply be patient. 

 

You are a crackpot, you can stay anywhere you want . You are just trying to make things up as you go along but not very well!!

[Non-Believer]

7 minutes ago, Mr Roboto said:

I’m not sure it does. In Asia they don’t people farm the elderly. Few of the old and vulnerable are in ‘homes’ which are infection magnets. They’re living with family who assume the risks and take the risks to protect in an isolated environment. Equally they’re controlled economies. They don’t care if you lose your job or if you end up destitute or if you commit suicide. There’s no MERA in China. You’re just a lockdown casualty and as they control the media nobody will ever know. But by stopping you going out likely nobody will ever find out if you actually killed yourself or not. That example is ancient based on the SARS outbreak of 2003 it’s got nothing to do with what applies now. 

What they had learned from 2002 was put in place in anticipation of a new viral epidemic. They saw this coming. Many of the Far Eastern economies (China excepted) are now Western/Capitalist models but they still fared better.

The West was/is thoroughly unprepared. The figures prove that.

[Mr Roboto]

10 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

What they had learned from 2002 was put in place in anticipation of a new viral epidemic. They saw this coming. Many of the Far Eastern economies (China excepted) are now Western/Capitalist models but they still fared better.

SARS (a respiratory disease that is caught at close quarters) is very different to the transmission pattern of covid-19. Equally society in Asia functions very differently to Europe. They don’t cram their elderly into infection risk farms enmasse for a start. I’d love to see the UK figures with UK care home deaths stripped out of them. I’d also like to see what UK or European society would look like based on the Chinese model of we’re stopping you working. There’s no compensation. If you decide to top yourself that’s your choice. It won’t make the papers. You can work again when we decide you can work again. If you can’t pay your debts tough. 

Edited May 1, 2021 by Mr Roboto

[P.K.]

3 hours ago, thommo2010 said:

Nobody,but I'm not glued to news/social media 24/7. 

So according to you folks get "conditioned" to believing that Covid 19 will end humanity if they are on news/social media 24/7.

Errrr as by your own admission you are not on news/social media 24/7 how can you possibly know this?

[P.K.]

2 hours ago, Mr Roboto said:

We locked down hard and fast too. Remember that? Border controls and over 50 people thrown in prison. Nobody did anything for months under threat of ending up in Jurby. Has it really made any difference to the outcome now which is - go about your business managing your own risks with 2 people in hospital. 

You forgot about the four fatalities from the last outbreak...

[Utah 01]

9 minutes ago, P.K. said:

So according to you folks get "conditioned" to believing that Covid 19 will end humanity if they are on news/social media 24/7.

Read this: https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/04/30/why-lockdown-has-become-a-lifestyle/

Aside from many interesting asides on the disaster that has been, and is yet to be exposed, governmental myopia on the handling of COVID, direct reference is made to the SAGE minutes that triggered the 'fear' campaign launched by government and ably assisted by a supine media (look no further than Mr Toad's press conferences).

There can be no doubt that 'conditioning' of the population took place to ensure compliance. A SAGE member admitted that: '‘The British people have been subjected to an unevaluated psychological experiment without being told that is what’s happening’.

https://thecritic.co.uk/a-year-of-fear/

[P.K.]

1 minute ago, Utah 01 said:

Read this: https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/04/30/why-lockdown-has-become-a-lifestyle/

Aside from many interesting asides on the disaster that has been, and is yet to be exposed, governmental myopia on the handling of COVID, direct reference is made to the SAGE minutes that triggered the 'fear' campaign launched by government and ably assisted by a supine media (look no further than Mr Toad's press conferences).

There can be no doubt that 'conditioning' of the population took place to ensure compliance. A SAGE member admitted that: '‘The British people have been subjected to an unevaluated psychological experiment without being told that is what’s happening’.

https://thecritic.co.uk/a-year-of-fear/

Where has this idea come from that the government seem to have a need to manipulate the behaviour of folks presumably for nefarious purposes? I mean, what purpose?

IMHO the very idea is complete and utter bollox.

Don't forget the £billions that have been thrown at Serco's world-beating (hem hem) Track Trace and Isolate system was justified because, like some far eastern countries, it can replace lockdowns.

Well, their systems could anyway.

The UK system, unfortunately, fell a bit short of that by about a gazillion miles....

And it's still crap...

[John Wright]

11 hours ago, Banker said:

You are a crackpot, you can stay anywhere you want . You are just trying to make things up as you go along but not very well!!

It’s you who are the crackpot. Until 17/5 hotels in England can only allow stays for work, education and a few other permitted reasons. Not for leisure.

If you stay outside permitted reasons you, and they, commit an offence. Stays aren’t comfortable in terms of facilities available, either.

Your constant overstating the position and suggesting that the restrictions are greater  here than elsewhere, does you no credit. Your constant comparison with JSY and GSY which have their own problems and where, even with JSY the traffic light schemes have experienced anomalies and wrinkles makes you look foolish.

[Mr Roboto]

9 hours ago, P.K. said:

You forgot about the four fatalities from the last outbreak...

Are deaths during a pandemic to be unexpected then? As sad as those deaths undoubtedly are if you recall in the dim and distant past it was said very clearly by government in the UK that lockdowns were solely about protecting the NHS, they were never implemented to ensure that nobody dies of COVID-19 ever. It’s only been mentioned about a million times in the press (including the Daily Mail) that this is the situation and yet its amazing how many people seem to deliberately forget this fact. Yes four people sadly died in a hospital which had significant spare capacity to deal with I’ll people who needed support due to, amongst other things, having COVID-19.