Cambon Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 6 hours ago, Happier diner said: Stupid idea? Turned out to be genius. Did it? Only time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 6 minutes ago, finlo said: You trying to claim it's not flat? OK bad example Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trmpton Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 33 minutes ago, Out of the blue said: As much as I would like all border restrictions removed, my bet is further loosening of borders to coincide with UK easing, on 17th May with test on arrival with no isolation if negative, with another follow up test. I am aware that Comin have come under massive pressure by business to open up now, but are fully open borders so soon too much to hope for? To be fair he did surprise us in LD 1 when all remaining restrictions were removed in one go. I await with interest. That is coming at the end of May anyway and was announced weeks ago. If they made an announcement to say they were moving that forward by a couple of weeks it would be a bit pathetic. Fully open with no isolation or testing - has to be end of May 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 5 minutes ago, trmpton said: That is coming at the end of May anyway and was announced weeks ago. If they made an announcement to say they were moving that forward by a couple of weeks it would be a bit pathetic. Fully open with no isolation or testing - has to be end of May Will be interesting to see. It is currently 28June. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 44 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: For some, whatever the omnipotent RG suggests, they presume it to be OK. She could proclaim the earth is indeed flat and her followers/ sycophants would adopt the same position. No, I am assuming she knows about labs so, if she did suggest that was possible, then it would be reasonable to conclude that she had thought it through. As far as I am aware, she has not proclaimed the earth to be flat, which would be an odd proclamation from a scientist. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Anyone following the science...? Traffic light travel plan will let new Covid variants into UK, scientists warn. It is inevitable that new Covid variants will continue to enter the country, scientists warned this weekend, claiming there are “obvious flaws” in the government’s system for reopening international travel to and from England. On Friday ministers decreed that some international travel could resume from 17 May, with travellers from England allowed to return from “green list” destinations without needing to quarantine. Portugal and Israel are on the list, along with South Georgia, the Faroe Islands and the Falklands. However, it is understood that members of the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) are concerned that the government’s traffic light system amounts to “window dressing” and is not based on evidence about the risks of the spread of variants. https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2021/may/09/traffic-light-travel-plan-will-let-new-covid-variants-into-uk-scientists-warn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 5 hours ago, P.K. said: Anyone following the science...? Traffic light travel plan will let new Covid variants into UK, scientists warn. It is inevitable that new Covid variants will continue to enter the country, scientists warned this weekend, claiming there are “obvious flaws” in the government’s system for reopening international travel to and from England. On Friday ministers decreed that some international travel could resume from 17 May, with travellers from England allowed to return from “green list” destinations without needing to quarantine. Portugal and Israel are on the list, along with South Georgia, the Faroe Islands and the Falklands. However, it is understood that members of the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) are concerned that the government’s traffic light system amounts to “window dressing” and is not based on evidence about the risks of the spread of variants. https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2021/may/09/traffic-light-travel-plan-will-let-new-covid-variants-into-uk-scientists-warn What is the point you are making? Its inevitable that new variants will move around. You dont need much science to tell you that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floors4u Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 17 hours ago, Banker said: What is with you people who keep harping on about variants & visitors to the island will bring diseases, hospitals etc will be overwhelmed etc Change the record & stop with the scaremongering, everyone over 18 will have had at least one dose in next month or so. Wow . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 (edited) On 9/8/2020 at 3:44 PM, Banker said: 15 hours ago, Happier diner said: Stupid idea? Turned out to be genius. 9 hours ago, Cambon said: Did it? Only time will tell. I'll explain. Time has already told. Firstly it was not Tony Blairs idea was it? He simply promoted it. OK, genius is a bit of an exaggeration. No brainer would have been a better statement. Some 'experts' on here were panicking about the mere possibility of not following the' manufacturers recommendation'. Even a basic knowledge of immunology would tell you that it was very possible that the optimum time between doses was going to be more than 4 or 6 weeks. It just had not been tested. Even I, a humble retired scientist and not an expert in the field, predicted it might be. I have also further predicted (based on a hunch) that mixing vaccines will turn out to be highly effective and without risk. Add to that the simple maths. 1 jab gives you around 70% and the second another 25% (ish) would inform you that its better to protect 100% of your vulnerable to 70% than 50% of your vulnerable to 95% (leaving 50% with no protection at all). Bang for bucks. Edited May 10, 2021 by Happier diner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 25 minutes ago, Happier diner said: What is the point you are making? Its inevitable that new variants will move around. You dont need much science to tell you that. Simply passing on the information that SAGE think that the traffic light "policy" is a pile of poo. This will be ignored by government as per. Of course it is inevitable that variants will wash up on our shores. However that's no reason to make it easier to import them. Especially "Variants Of Concern" like the one from South Africa. Which is why their UK progress is tracked: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-variants-genomically-confirmed-case-numbers/variants-distribution-of-cases-data 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhtred Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 9 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said: She could proclaim the earth is indeed flat and her followers/ sycophants would adopt the same position. What an utterly fatuous observation. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dog's Dangly Bits Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, Uhtred said: What an utterly fatuous observation. He/she is correct though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Happier diner said: What is the point you are making? Its inevitable that new variants will move around. You dont need much science to tell you that. Is it not also inevitable that home grown variants will emerge? I get the desire to stop the introduction of new variants which may be more virulent or vax resistant, but that does not mean the risk would be totally eradicated, does it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trmpton Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 19 minutes ago, P.K. said: Simply passing on the information that SAGE think that the traffic light "policy" is a pile of poo. This will be ignored by government as per. Of course it is inevitable that variants will wash up on our shores. However that's no reason to make it easier to import them. Especially "Variants Of Concern" like the one from South Africa. Which is why their UK progress is tracked: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-variants-genomically-confirmed-case-numbers/variants-distribution-of-cases-data So what do you suggest instead? The whole UK just close its borders in case something might happen in the future? It is about managing risk and taking reasonable precautions. Stopping travel isn't reasonable. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nom de plume Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 (edited) 28 minutes ago, P.K. said: Simply passing on the information that SAGE think that the traffic light "policy" is a pile of poo. This will be ignored by government as per. Of course it is inevitable that variants will wash up on our shores. However that's no reason to make it easier to import them. Especially "Variants Of Concern" like the one from South Africa. Which is why their UK progress is tracked: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-variants-genomically-confirmed-case-numbers/variants-distribution-of-cases-data So, given Covid is circulating at quite the rate across pretty much every country on the planet & new variants are mutating all the time, at what point or number in terms of % new infections per country (you like numbers), would it be acceptable for Boris to open the U.K. borders up to foreign travel? Or, should we never go anywhere ever again? Sadly I’m going to have to file you in the ‘under stairs cupboard shitting his kegs’ brigade with four or five others here. Count yourself lucky you’re not in the ‘work shy Loose Women Government teat sucklers’ squad. Edited May 10, 2021 by Nom de plume 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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