Nom de plume Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: Hmmm. COVID-19 has now reportedly killed over 800k people globally in record time. Those most at risk are the elderly and those with underlying health issues. Some ethnic groups are also appear to be more vulnerable. The IoM has an (increasingly) ageing demographic, who on current evidence would be amongst the most vulnerable. Young children can be asymptomatic carriers. Many plates to be kept spinning in this matter. And in our fortunate, virus free current status it is important not to become complacent. We currently enjoy an almost normal lifestyle not available to millions only 40-odd miles away across the wet bit where infection rates are reportedly on the rise. We shouldn't lose sight of that or how it's possible. Fully appreciate the sentiments. However, are you suggesting we keep the Island in a semi-state of paralysis until Covid disappears forever? I'm sure you are intelligent enough to understand that the virus could be around for years, many years yet. What is your proposal to 'open us up?' Edited August 24, 2020 by Nom de plume 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 I think for the present it's as good as it's going to get. Unless we wish to place a large proportion of our population (the elderly and weak) directly in the firing line and we have limited health capacity to cope with a major outbreak, we may have to learn to live with it and make the necessary adjustments. Our "closed" borders (depending on who you talk to) and quarantine policy are currently helping to keep it out, maybe aided by a healthy dose of luck. There's no reason why more of our economy (workforce INCLUDING Govt) can't be back at work. Taxes can be paid to Govt. Food, freight and mail has remained onstream in both directions, though it has to be remembered that those further afield that we do business with, such as manufacturing supply chain in aerospace, are still subject to their own limiting restrictions. We can't avoid that and will have to accommodate it. We are in a far better position than many in UK. Tourism was a tiny percentage of our GDP before lockdown. E-gaming and service industry, our major players can largely continue to operate, we've moved on from pigeon post. Farming can continue. Changes will have to be made, including expectations. There may have to be more community based employment, that might involve infrastructure and environment maintenance. No bad thing. Govt can wind its horns in on largesse to mates and usual suspects and engage in a broader distribution and circulation of wealth in order to sustain the economy. Some won't like that but they've had it good and there's a bigger picture to keeping the whole island going. There's a big reset going to take place here and our best hope is to have some proactive input into it rather than just have it hit us. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nom de plume Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: I think for the present it's as good as it's going to get. Unless we wish to place a large proportion of our population (the elderly and weak) directly in the firing line and we have limited health capacity to cope with a major outbreak, we may have to learn to live with it and make the necessary adjustments. Jersey are managing the situation in a well managed & structured way I'm sure you would agree? There will be nearly 80,000 tests completed by this weekend and highly likely no hospital admissions. Can we not glean any knowledge from their model? They are after all a population of 105,000 people on an Island a quarter the size of ours. What is our reluctance to do the same, really? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, Nom de plume said: Jersey are managing the situation in a well managed & structured way I'm sure you would agree? There will be nearly 80,000 tests completed by this weekend and highly likely no hospital admissions. Can we not glean any knowledge from their model? They are after all a population of 105,000 people on an Island a quarter the size of ours. What is our reluctance to do the same, really? Why would opening up the borders improve our current lifestyle. Everybody can and should be going about their normal business on the island. Tourism for what it was has taken a knock meaning hotels have suffered, other than that why not keep to the plan and open up bit by bit however slow that may be. I would rather keep it this way than pander to a few loons on here 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nom de plume Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Neil Down said: Why would opening up the borders improve our current lifestyle. Everybody can and should be going about their normal business on the island. Tourism for what it was has taken a knock meaning hotels have suffered, other than that why not keep to the plan and open up bit by bit however slow that may be. I would rather keep it this way than pander to a few loons on here Our current lifestyle is great, couldn't argue. It is not a long term viable situation however (not from a business perspective anyway). I'm hearing a lot of how we have to keep Island under lock & key but not a lot of how we get through this in a sustainable, sensible way. Usual suspects coming up with absolutely zip. I would therefore have to surmise that these people have nothing to offer the Island in terms of economic value or worth, ergo they are sat behind a computer doing very little with their lives suckling on the state teat. Edited August 24, 2020 by Nom de plume 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 Our current situation must be the envy of much of the world. We have no known virus here. We have normality of life currently unknown in a lot of the rest of the world, to include socialising and sporting events. Our health services are unburdened by it, either workload or the economic side, frequently forgotten. The only way the virus can make a reappearance (on current knowledge) is if it's imported by a carrier. The current travel restrictions reduce that massively. Our near neighbours are rife with it and are having lockdown measures regularly reinstated. This is also happening across the world where mutating, more severe cases are now being reported. We don't know how lucky we are and shouldn't get complacent. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nom de plume Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Non-Believer said: Our current situation must be the envy of much of the world. We have no known virus here. We have normality of life currently unknown in a lot of the rest of the world, to include socialising and sporting events. Our health services are unburdened by it, either workload or the economic side, frequently forgotten. The only way the virus can make a reappearance (on current knowledge) is if it's imported by a carrier. The current travel restrictions reduce that massively. Our near neighbours are rife with it and are having lockdown measures regularly reinstated. This is also happening across the world where mutating, more severe cases are now being reported. We don't know how lucky we are and shouldn't get complacent. Case rested m'lud. Get back to the teat, it's milk time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Nom de plume said: Case rested m'lud. Get back to the teat, it's milk time. You see, its this kind of thing that really doesn't help your argument. We all know that our 'bubble' cannot last forever, but this kind of comment makes you look like the teats tit. Edited August 24, 2020 by TheTeapot 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 9 minutes ago, Nom de plume said: Our current lifestyle is great, couldn't argue. It is not a long term viable situation however (not from a business perspective anyway). I'm hearing a lot of how we have to keep Island under lock & key but not a lot of how we get through this in a sustainable, sensible way. Usual suspects coming up with absolutely zip. I would therefore have to surmise that these people have nothing to offer the Island in terms of economic value or worth, ergo they are sat behind a computer doing very little with their lives suckling on the state teat. My family are currently in the process of opening a business that will primarily rely on footfall. If the Island is forced into another lock-down it would not do our business any favour at all I surmise that you are one of those that really don't have that much to lose should the Island go into lock-down again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Nom de plume said: Case rested m'lud. Get back to the teat, it's milk time. I'm currently at non Govt employment and was right through, basically. This is the sort of attitude bred by the decadence that our society has become accustomed to. The slightest bit of deprivation and the teddy comes out of the cot. Some people need to be very grateful that they didn't live through World Wars even as civilians and have to put up with the stringencies and deprivations imposed. Let alone a pandemic As somebody posted here a while back: "Meh, what about my holibobs?" Pathetic. Edited August 24, 2020 by Non-Believer Extra bit 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nom de plume Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 Crack on lads, get back to Loose Women. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 Still no one has come up with any reason not to have a testing on arrival or after 6/7 days regime like the Islands to ease restrictions. also when teapot et al say economy booming etc they have so far ignored the record unemployment figures which will get worse & strangely can’t give an explanation for this !! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nom de plume Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Banker said: Still no one has come up with any reason not to have a testing on arrival or after 6/7 days regime like the Islands to ease restrictions. also when teapot et al say economy booming etc they have so far ignored the record unemployment figures which will get worse & strangely can’t give an explanation for this !! They haven’t because they can’t but you knew that anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 4 hours ago, Banker said: A lot of households expect finances to get worse but don’t worry teapot,pongo, cambon think economy is booming so no problems!! https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/a-third-of-manx-households-expect-finances-to-get-worse/ I am sure they do, especially when government support ends. They will have to get off their asses and work. The job centre has hundreds of vacancies. But as long as people are being paid to do nothing, they will do nothing! The economy here is doing very well. People are spending more on Island. Businesses are doing well. New businesses are opening up. Card Factory is recruiting. KFC will soon be recruiting. The VAT calculations will be interesting this year. I reckon we should probably end up with more money. Your comments on the uk markets are interesting. FTSE is down 20%, but GBP is holding its own against EUR, and USD has weakened. FTSE was expected to drop this year on Brexit worries. So basically, it is doing ok. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Banker said: also when teapot et al say economy booming etc they have so far ignored the record unemployment figures which will get worse & strangely can’t give an explanation for this !! I haven't said it is booming, I've just pointed out it is not as awful as you are making out. Also, in the matter of 'record unemployment' it might just be, but certainly not by much if so. And the explanation is so fucking obvious it shouldn't need one. Check the IOM in numbers document, page 10 to see for yourself, focusing on 2013/14 and stop doom mongering you utter cretin. Edited August 24, 2020 by TheTeapot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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