IOM Covid removing restrictions

[Itsmeee]

It’s similar to the HRT/breast cancer scare. Or anything that increases your risk of a disease or side effect by x%. If your risk is 5% and something increases it by x%, your risk is not x% + 5%. It’s x% + 5% of x%

 

 

[GD4ELI]

9 minutes ago, Itsmeee said:

It’s similar to the HRT/breast cancer scare. Or anything that increases your risk of a disease or side effect by x%. If your risk is 5% and something increases it by x%, your risk is not x% + 5%. It’s x% + 5% of x%

5% + 5% * x%

(Not that this is how we actually write this sort of stuff.)

[Albert Tatlock]

Quite a few I know heading away for northern football matches this weekend - pound to a pinch of sh#t we'll have at least one case of Indian variant here by Bank Holiday Monday.

[trmpton]

Update from Gef!  Thought they would do the usual lawyers trick and drop it at 1 minute to 5 on a Friday.  Must need to get to the Prospect early this week.

"The Steam Packet report is here. We’ll be breaking it down for you this evening: bare with please, it’s 94 pages long"

 

[P.K.]

2 hours ago, thommo2010 said:

 

Yorkshire variant coming up on the rail to challenge the Indian variant

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/health-officials-investigate-yorkshire-variant-24155887

If you catch it does it beat your wife up...?

[trmpton]

8 minutes ago, P.K. said:

If you catch it does it beat your wife up...?

More likely than it killing you.

 

[P.K.]

Surge vaccination taking place in Rochdale this weekend. It seems the Indian Variant made it down the A58 from Notlob.

All over-18's eligible. However if you already have a date for vaccination you shouldn't go.

Errr why not?

On the last Andrew Marr show Doormatt Hancock was bleating on about making sure you get your second jab.

Errr why?

Is there something they're not telling us...?

[P.K.]

1 minute ago, trmpton said:

More likely than it killing you.

What, the wife...?

[Banker]

Mistakes have been made !! Who had that on bingo card??

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/steam-packet-report-shows-mistakes-were-made-quayle/

[monasqueen]

1 hour ago, trmpton said:

Update from Gef!  Thought they would do the usual lawyers trick and drop it at 1 minute to 5 on a Friday.  Must need to get to the Prospect early this week.

"The Steam Packet report is here. We’ll be breaking it down for you this evening: bare with please, it’s 94 pages long"

 

I'm not stripping off for a mongoose.

[kevster]

10 minutes ago, Banker said:

Mistakes have been made !! Who had that on bingo card??

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/steam-packet-report-shows-mistakes-were-made-quayle/

Read it HERE

[Roger Mexico]

5 minutes ago, kevster said:

Read it HERE

Or directly here.  Amusingly Manx Radio managed the old trick of providing the link to a copy of the report on one of it's reporter's own computers.

There's a lot there but it's pretty clear that the fault lay entirely with the government from page 13):

2.3.1 At the outset of the pandemic (March 2020) IOM Government had clearly advised the Steam Packet that its Manx Resident crew were not required to self-isolate.

2.3.2 In August 2020 the Director of Public Health advised the Steam Packet that it was her view that Manx Resident crew in high risk positions should be in self-isolation, whilst off-duty and on the Island.

2.3.3 However there had been no substantial change in the official documentation issued to the Steam Packet (and its crew) in relation to its Coronavirus compliance requirements over that time and it is my view that the documentation then in place infers that self-isolation is a only requirement for Non-IOM Steam Packet crew.

2.3.4 In addition, since July 2020, for self-isolation (modified or otherwise) to be imposed upon Manx Resident crew then the regulations have required the Chief Secretary (or as in this instance, those delegated by him to do so) to issue Direction Notices to individual Manx resident crew members.

2.3.5 Such individual Direction Notices were not issued until after the February 2021 outbreak, following further review by the Director of Public Health and the Cabinet Office in relation to required procedures and the risk mitigation measures on board.

2.3.6 However, to clarify, this documentation still does not impose self-isolation restrictions on the Manx resident crew, providing they have adhered to stipulated risk mitigation measures whilst on board.

2.3.7 Accordingly it is my view that, whilst IOM Government advice may have been inconsistent in relation to this matter, prior to and at the time of the February 2021 outbreak the official documentation issued did not require for Manx resident crew members to self-isolate

So they never asked for self-isolation at the start; Ewart said in August that maybe some should, but never followed it up with any paperwork; the Chief Secretary never issued any directions since; they finally issued some more after the outbreak in February but even those didn't ask for self-isolation.

Then they said it was the Steam Packet's fault because their staff didn't self-isolate like they told them to.

It's all incredibly incompetent and exactly what we thought it would be.

[P.K.]

12 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

So they never asked for self-isolation at the start; Ewart said in August that maybe some should, but never followed it up with any paperwork; the Chief Secretary never issued any directions since; they finally issued some more after the outbreak in February but even those didn't ask for self-isolation.

Then they said it was the Steam Packet's fault because their staff didn't self-isolate like they told them to.

It's all incredibly incompetent and exactly what we thought it would be.

You would hope that probably the main conduit for the virus to get to the island would have been under constant scrutiny.

But apparently not...

[Pipsqueak]

3 hours ago, Happier diner said:

I must admit I was expecting this to be joke involving whippets, ferrets and general miserlyness and bluntness of manner. It seems be actually true. @Nom de plume will love this.....

let me guess, we now have to boycott yorkshire ?

[Gladys]

24 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

 

Then they said it was the Steam Packet's fault because their staff didn't self-isolate like they told them to.

 

Actually, it was more than that, at the press conference it was said that the fact that IOM crew were not self-isolating was in contradiction to what gov had been told or led to believe, the implication being that there had been some economies of truth going on.