ellanvannin2010 Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 29 minutes ago, NoTailT said: Its bonkers. Easyjet are chomping to get back flying to the Island, but won't whilst the border situation is how it is. If Howie and co let Aurigny all of a sudden do Gatwick, we may lose Easy for good which is NOT a good thing, despite what some may say. Loganair to city is carrying like 4 passenger each way each day. Its not like we have a capacity issue right now. Do you actually have any evidence that they are "chomping" to get back to the island though?. Their Manx routes appear largely from the awful schedules, timekeeping and propensity to cancel to make up delays elsewhere, to be only slot and schedule fillers. Neither you or I really know if they are profitable or not or the yield. As we have open skies , which let EZY in in the first place, there is nothing to stop Aurigny, or anyone else, doing LGW anyway. Not that I think Aurigny is the correct way forward, they appear to me to be the DOI of the skies 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 3 hours ago, Banker said: The existing 14 day quarantine without testing is stupid. reason , near neighbors just returned from UK so isolating. Son lives with them so is eating meals etc with them, coming & going to work, visiting girl friend, out in pub etc. other son called around with girl friend, stayed in garden but still talking etc. this is happening all over island and not one person is being tested. so how can all the idiots think they are safe with borders closed. Testing must be the solution and soon They should not be socialising. The two isolating should be isolating. No contact . You should report them. It is your duty. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Nom de plume said: You are absolutely correct Apple. Staggering that this issue (the borders) is not being debated. It is classic CoMin however. Railroad those around them. The fact there are no weekly press briefings to at least raise questions tells you all you need to know about our democracy. Why? They are on summer break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nom de plume Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Cambon said: They should not be socialising. The two isolating should be isolating. No contact . You should report them. It is your duty. I agree & concur fully. No excuses at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nom de plume Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Cambon said: Why? They are on summer break. You shouldn’t be having ‘summer breaks’ whilst in the midst of the worst economic crisis the Island is likely to face. There is certainly no excuse to non-debate the issue of border restrictions nor disclose minutes of meetings that are dictating the lives of thousands currently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 3 hours ago, Nom de plume said: I’m still waiting for an answer from Non Believer as to why the ageing population in Jersey is not being decimated despite their borders being opened with testing on arrival since July 3rd (nearly two months). Not a single hospital admission. Social distancing, masks, crowds banned, care homes still locked down, lots of businesses still closed. They opened the borders in a desperate attempt to get some tourists in, but it has pretty much failed, regardless of what Banker says. two new cases in the last 24 hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, Cambon said: Social distancing, masks, crowds banned, care homes still locked down, lots of businesses still closed. They opened the borders in a desperate attempt to get some tourists in, but it has pretty much failed, regardless of what Banker says. two new cases in the last 24 hours. Facts don't sit well with Banker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nom de plume Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Cambon said: Social distancing, masks, crowds banned, care homes still locked down, lots of businesses still closed. They opened the borders in a desperate attempt to get some tourists in, but it has pretty much failed, regardless of what Banker says. two new cases in the last 24 hours. Can you direct me to where you are gleaning your information please? Jersey had 15 active cases on Friday. Yesterday it was 9. Zero hospital admissions. Borders reopened 53 days. These figures are taken directly from the Jersey Government Covid page. Also, I’ve been speaking with several people in Jersey who inform me life is pretty much back to normal there. You are incorrect with your hysterical spin on masks, tourists & generally everything else that you are peddling on this subject. Go and find a stone to crawl under, your words carry no credibility here. Edited August 25, 2020 by Nom de plume 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 9 minutes ago, Nom de plume said: Can you please direct me to where you are gleaning your information please? Jersey had 15 active cases on Friday. Yesterday it was 9. These figures are taken directly from the Jersey Government Covid page. Also, I’ve been speaking with several people in Jersey who inform me life is pretty much back to normal there. You are incorrect with your hysterical spin on masks, tourists & generally everything else that you are peddling on this subject. Go and find a stone to crawl under. Why? I want seven days and testing as well. Things are far from normal in Jersey. Normally at this time of year they would have around 20-30,000 tourists. They have well under 5,000. Most tourist attractions are closed. Nightclubs and much other night time entertainment are closed. If you live there you don't necessarily use these things. Tourists do. In two weeks time Jerseys tourist season will finish. Expect arrivals to drop, hotels to close. Tourism in Jersey makes only a small amount of the economy financially, but employs thousands of people. That is why the were desperate to get a few tourists in. With regard to the figures, I look at Worldometers. Jersey government are responsible for keeping them up to date. Two new cases yesterday. What it comes down to is, do you believe the Jersey government's website more than you believe the Iom government's website? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piebaps Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 Actually Nom, Cambon is correct https://www.gov.je/Health/Coronavirus/BusinessAndEmployment/Pages/CoronavirusBusinessAdvice.aspx#AdviceForAll 1m Social distancing Groups restricted to 20 or less Population advised to wear face coverings Sorry but I prefer what we have! 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, NoTailT said: Its bonkers. Easyjet are chomping to get back flying to the Island, but won't whilst the border situation is how it is. If Howie and co let Aurigny all of a sudden do Gatwick, we may lose Easy for good which is NOT a good thing, despite what some may say. Loganair to city is carrying like 4 passenger each way each day. Its not like we have a capacity issue right now. I think the Aurigny proposal is a sensible deal to discuss. EasyJet are going to have massive problems for a long period of time and do they even want to come back to a low volume route like the IOM? Again the IOM and Guernsey seem pretty aligned here as Guernsey has told EasyJet to pretty much piss off more than once. Taking control of the route (even if it’s temporary) seems to make good sense to get things moving again. Just get them to add the cost of a covid test to the ticket price and you’re done. Edited August 25, 2020 by thesultanofsheight 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out of the blue Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 1 hour ago, NoTailT said: Its bonkers. Easyjet are chomping to get back flying to the Island, but won't whilst the border situation is how it is. If Howie and co let Aurigny all of a sudden do Gatwick, we may lose Easy for good which is NOT a good thing, despite what some may say. Loganair to city is carrying like 4 passenger each way each day. Its not like we have a capacity issue right now. I am one of the supporters of having a state backed airline for the island. I do not know what form any alliance may take, but the possibility of a link up with a government owned airline, which cannot go ‘bust’ as a life line service is not one to be dismissed lightly. Open skies only works properly in good times, and even then we are at the mercy of profit orientated businesses switching routes, hiking fares etc. Not a problem when you have rail and car as alternatives to a ferry, but I am sure that business and leisure travelers would like to see some price, route and timetable stability. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nom de plume Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 8 minutes ago, piebaps said: Actually Nom, Cambon is correct https://www.gov.je/Health/Coronavirus/BusinessAndEmployment/Pages/CoronavirusBusinessAdvice.aspx#AdviceForAll 1m Social distancing Groups restricted to 20 or less Population advised to wear face coverings Sorry but I prefer what we have! 1m social distancing as you well know is pretty much not worth bothering with & almost impossible to enforce (isn’t happening). Groups - I’m not seeing huge gatherings here. Advised to wear face masks (but they aren’t down there is the reality). Jersey are also receiving anywhere between 2,000 - 2,500 arrivals per day via ferry or plane. Believe me, there is a significant proportion of those being tourists. Cambon, I’m sorry to say, is a fool who is spreading lies to put the fear of God into people who are sadly already petrified. Jersey are smashing this, you need to accept that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Cambon said: You should report them. It is your duty. It’s nobody’s duty to report anyone. The rules of entry and the system in place to control the border should be being policed by the people being paid to protect the public from this alleged health crisis. It is not up to the public to voluntarily police an empty honesty based system that seems to include very few checks and balances for government. I have better things to do than be snitching on my neighbours because we’d rather employ people to not drive horse trams or to man empty castles than to actually be part of our frontline defense against C-19 by monitoring and calling on people. We need a system that has integrity and proper controls and testing at the heart of it - not a Dads Army of nosey busybodies sticking their heads through people’s windows shopping friends and neighbours. Edited August 25, 2020 by thesultanofsheight 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD4ELI Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 Re: TT 2021 From today's Daily Torygraph 53% of over-50s won't travel until Covid-19 is over Some 53% of Britons over the age of 50 say they won’t travel again until the Covid-19 situation is resolved, according to research by Pettitts Travel. 28% said they are currently planning a trip, and 19% say they hope to travel soon. Many respondents said that they would not feel safe taking a long haul flight before a vaccine was available. On the topic of a Covid-19 vaccine – an Oxford vaccine could be put before regulators this year, a leading scientist has said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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