Scipio Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Just now, TheTeapot said: It may well be a waste of time and effort, but it's hardly 10 years of rape. Child abuse does not have to be rape. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nom de plume Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Scipio said: Now that is more like the thinking. I find it quite unethical to be giving children something that would not benefit them and could actually harm them, for the perceived benefit of others. 8 billion people, reoccurring with boosters. Follow the money, it’s always about the money. Double jab, double bubble. Edited June 15, 2021 by Nom de plume 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellanvannin2010 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Nom de plume said: Should we run a MF sweep for the date that the *new* variant is discovered & where it might originate? Foxdale and any time 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Just now, Nom de plume said: 8 billion people, reoccurring with boosters. Follow the money, it’s always about the money. That's what that antivax doc on C4 the other week said too. I don't really see the need to be jabbing kids for this right now, be far better off sending vaccines everywhere else really, but comparing it to child abuse is just weird. Still, covid has fucked up peoples brains. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Johnson Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 1 hour ago, snowman said: Gef reporting LFT (home) to be used in secondary schools from 21 June I was shot down when I said this was necessary but this is one of their better decisions. If we didn't have this 50% of the population could be in isolation not long after the borders fully open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nom de plume Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: That's what that antivax doc on C4 the other week said too. I don't really see the need to be jabbing kids for this right now, be far better off sending vaccines everywhere else really, but comparing it to child abuse is just weird. Still, covid has fucked up peoples brains. I’m no anti-vaxer, in fact I’m up for my second dose next week. I wouldn’t mind being in on the cartel that’s producing 8000,000,000 doses x 2 initially, then ensuring it’s a requirement moving forward. Even at £10 a pop, it’d buy me a nice second hand Dacia Duster. So many questions …. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 14 minutes ago, Scipio said: It really is though. I've now blocked your posts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Scipio said: I find it quite unethical to be giving children something that would not benefit them and could actually harm them, for the perceived benefit of others. Until the vaccines have been finalised in phase 3 testing (? by next year) then the evidence to say there is little or no risk is not there. The role of the adults is to protect the needs of children, not the other way round. The terminology in this argument has unfortunately eroded the debate / issue but may yet end up as being a very difficult and polarising choice for many parents, Edited June 15, 2021 by Apple add brackets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, Nom de plume said: I’m no anti-vaxer, in fact I’m up for my second dose next week. I wouldn’t mind being in on the cartel that’s producing 8000,000,000 doses x 2 initially, then ensuring it’s a requirement moving forward. Even at £10 a pop, it’d buy me a nice second hand Dacia Duster. So many questions …. Oh it's serious money for sure, those Pfizer doses still going out at £30 a go? They must have covered their costs and made a tidy profit by now, time to drop those prices. Weren't the oxford ones supposed to be at or very close to cost? There's a lot goes on with Big Pharma, some very dodgy practices indeed and its not a surprise that people are at the very least suspicious. US drug prices are fucking insane, mostly because the US is, and that impacts the rest of the world. Badly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: Oh it's serious money for sure, those Pfizer doses still going out at £30 a go? They must have covered their costs and made a tidy profit by now, time to drop those prices. Weren't the oxford ones supposed to be at or very close to cost? There's a lot goes on with Big Pharma, some very dodgy practices indeed and its not a surprise that people are at the very least suspicious. US drug prices are fucking insane, mostly because the US is, and that impacts the rest of the world. Badly. This is the list of what the EU is paying: Oxford/AstraZeneca: €1.78 (£1.61). Johnson & Johnson: $8.50 (£6.30). Sanofi/GSK: €7.56. Pfizer/BioNTech: €12. CureVac: €10. Moderna: $18. The US will pay $4 a dose for the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine Edited June 15, 2021 by snowman 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 24 minutes ago, Scipio said: Child abuse does not have to be rape. At worst its unethical. Parental consent in necessary. You are way over the top. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellanvannin2010 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 11 minutes ago, Nom de plume said: I’m no anti-vaxer, in fact I’m up for my second dose next week. I wouldn’t mind being in on the cartel that’s producing 8000,000,000 doses x 2 initially, then ensuring it’s a requirement moving forward. Even at £10 a pop, it’d buy me a nice second hand Dacia Duster. So many questions …. Prior to the current situation vaccines were generally perceived as not being considered particularly profitable for pharmaceutical companies to invest in. Far better to develop some drug that needs taking constantly. Perhaps this is the exception. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nom de plume Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 1 minute ago, ellanvannin2010 said: Prior to the current situation vaccines were generally perceived as not being considered particularly profitable for pharmaceutical companies to invest in. Far better to develop some drug that needs taking constantly. Perhaps this is the exception. Or that drug is around the corner with the new variant …. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 53 minutes ago, Scipio said: Child abuse does not have to be rape. Are MMR vaccines akin to child abuse? Just askin'. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 8 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said: Are MMR vaccines akin to child abuse? Just askin'. Attractive at first glance, but you’re trying to compare apples with unicorns. There’s no analogy, is there, Andy? Mumps, Measles and Rubella are, generally, diseases of child hood and can have devastating effects. The jab protects the children, immunity is long term, so early vaccination has significant benefits. Covid doesn’t seem to have significant effect on children who catch it, vaccination apparently offers no long term protection, probably requiring annual boosters. The benefit of vaccinating is to stop children being a vector of transmission to adults rather than protect children. Wouldn’t say it was akin to abuse, but there are difficult ethical considerations and serious efficacy benefit analysis questions. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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