AlanShimmin Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 5 hours ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said: That would just be a complete waste of time and money. As was prosecuting someone for filling their car up with petrol. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 5 hours ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said: That would just be a complete waste of time and money. Indeed it would! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTailT Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 18 minutes ago, Gladys said: It's not as though we haven't seen these inconsistencies before, is it? The person who drafted the law should sign off on the guidance. Practically unheard of.. 😞 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 39 minutes ago, trmpton said: “Fast tracked recruitment process is in place for these roles” Woukd have though this would have been sorted weeks ago tbh. Ideally with more reliance on tech. https://www.jobtrain.co.uk/iomgovjobs/displayjob.aspx?jobid=12758 It’s to allow some of the existing team members to return to their original jobs. Im not sure how attractive these bank roles are. Effectively they’re zero hours. And yes, tech has a place. But the science seems to show personal calls by Public Health get better results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dog's Dangly Bits Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 5 hours ago, John Wright said: Quite. It depends where he went. As long as it wasn’t in patient rooms or treatment areas. For all the idiots like @Boris Johnson asking about reporting/police/prosecution, please think. There isn’t an absolute ban on attending health care settings, even less premises, within 10 days of arrival on/return to IOM. Part of the problem here is Manx Radio's completely inaccurate reporting of the facts. If they actually reported exactly what happened there would be no issue at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dog's Dangly Bits Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 4 hours ago, John Wright said: You come off the boat. Go home. Get tested. It’s negative. You go out. You’re hit by a car. Are you saying you’ve got to be left at the roadside because you can’t go in the health care settings of ambulances or A&E? As I say, it’s not absolute. But of course it was tone deaf of Quayle to go. I don’t understand how he, and his CS minders didn’t see that. But then they’ve always been tone deaf to mood music and communication. They proactively contacted Hospice to advise that he was only back post the 6 day test and wouldn't be able to attend. They were the ones who advised he could and listed the actual mitigations for doing so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daisy Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, John Wright said: It’s to allow some of the existing team members to return to their original jobs. Im not sure how attractive these bank roles are. Effectively they’re zero hours. And yes, tech has a place. But the science seems to show personal calls by Public Health get better results. The other LTA jobs advertised were supposed to be to allow folk to go back to their original jobs. Not heard of one yet going back - why would they with 12.5% shift allowance Edited June 20, 2021 by daisy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 1 hour ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said: They proactively contacted Hospice to advise that he was only back post the 6 day test and wouldn't be able to attend. They were the ones who advised he could and listed the actual mitigations for doing so. What would make the hospice think they could make such decisions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dog's Dangly Bits Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, Happier diner said: What would make the hospice think they could make such decisions? Because they've clear made sure it was specifically a non clinical setting which is why they said he could and should attend. If Manx Radio had actually reported the facts rather that some half baked BS it might have calmed a few halfwits down. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 17 minutes ago, daisy said: The other LTA jobs advertised were supposed to be to allow folk to go back to their original jobs. Not heard of one yet going back - why would they with 12.5% shift allowance But these are ads for Bank positions and most are those are filled by government employees. The Bank mainly operates so that Departments can massage their budgets by avoiding paying their staff overtime and instead pay them under a different heading for doing exactly the same thing. It probably costs a lot more that way, but when did that ever worry them. In this case we know that most of the contact tracing was done by Environmental Health Officers (it's in the S/P Report) which is reasonable enough if the workload is fairly light - I think contact tracing for notifiable diseases is part of the job normally. I suspect that also explains the salary on offer - 'normal' contact tracers (ie not managerial or needing to be an EHO) are much lower. So probably the purpose of this is to get the EHOs back to (the rest of) their jobs by promising them lots of overtime paid separately. There may also be inter-Departmental issues as the EHOs work for DEFA normally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 2 hours ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said: Because they've clear made sure it was specifically a non clinical setting which is why they said he could and should attend. If Manx Radio had actually reported the facts rather that some half baked BS it might have calmed a few halfwits down. Clinical? I dont remember that word in the rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Happier diner said: Clinical? I dont remember that word in the rules. Nope, health and social care says the regs. And no 'at the discretion of management'. The only dispensation is an emergency. It is nit-picky, but we have seen what happens when there is unclear guidance and/or 'elastic' interpretation. So, if HQ wasn't face to face with patients, presumably the staff may have been, shortly after exchanging a few sycophantic pleasantries. ETA Why not do it via Zoom or whatever the format is for the briefings? Edited June 20, 2021 by Gladys 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 2 hours ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said: If Manx Radio had actually reported the facts rather that some half baked BS it might have calmed a few halfwits down. Well Manx Radio actually said: In a statement from the Cabinet Office it says it contacted Hospice Isle of Man to find out whether the chief minister could still attend. The charity replied that he could, and carried out a risk assessment, and put in place "a number of measures to protect patients and on-duty care staff". So the "half-baked BS" actually came from the bovine arse. (The Cabinet Office that is not Quayle. Though as Quayle is the Cabinet Office Minister, there may be some connection). 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanShimmin Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 3 hours ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said: Because they've clear made sure it was specifically a non clinical setting which is why they said he could and should attend. If Manx Radio had actually reported the facts rather that some half baked BS it might have calmed a few halfwits down. You're being hysterical. 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 (edited) Any news yet on which beach howie is holding his summer solstice sunrise in the sea trancendental meditation session ? Edited June 20, 2021 by the stinking enigma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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