Nom de plume Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, chris4652009 said: I just feel that there will be a knee jerk reaction (despite the "we must learn to live with covid" line) to the inevitable surge and iom is going to shut up shop again. I'm very much living my life, was at a bike festival with 7000 people at the weekend...all had to produce and report a clear covid test beforehand...lots of sanitizer stations dotted around etc...I felt very safe I just feel that the IOM Gov are going to choke when it comes to actually "living with covid"............... they will bow to pressure from the minority that want to live in isolation The data should tell them it’s no biggy. They need to deal in real time science. They won’t choke. They are fully geared to reopen, I know ;0) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nom de plume Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 4 minutes ago, the stinking enigma said: Your definition of bed wetting is anyone not dressed as a red indian chanting some half wit slogan. Maybe you need to re-calibrate? My idea of bed wetting is normally rationally minded intelligent people* having their sorry minds brainwashed by hogwash. I feel for the bedwetters. * … and a majority of pond life FB dwellers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4652009 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 3 minutes ago, Nom de plume said: The data should tell them it’s no biggy. They need to deal in real time science. They won’t choke. They are fully geared to reopen, I know ;0) We'll see, I'm not convinced.....will wait a while yet before giving steam packet my money. Everything crossed that you are right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 14 minutes ago, Nom de plume said: People need to get a grip. Never in all my life have I witnessed so much bed wetting. That's quite a selfish attitude when we have a large number of people who for a variety of reasons cannot take the vaccine or have not had it yet. Of course we have to move forward...but why didn't we wait till at least the schools broke up? Or even consider breaking the schools up earlier? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 12 minutes ago, chris4652009 said: I just feel that there will be a knee jerk reaction (despite the "we must learn to live with covid" line) to the inevitable surge and iom is going to shut up shop again. I'm very much living my life, was at a bike festival with 7000 people at the weekend...all had to produce and report a clear covid test beforehand...lots of sanitizer stations dotted around etc...I felt very safe I just feel that the IOM Gov are going to choke when it comes to actually "living with covid"............... they will bow to pressure from the minority that want to live in isolation With Tynwald pretty much closing after today and an election looming I don't see to many MHKS putting their head above the parapet and advocating one way or another that may lose them votes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc.fixit Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 (edited) Well, we've just spent at least 30 mins trying to find the times of opening for the covid test centre on the govt. site. Still haven't found them! Now maybe it's our fault but why aren't the times right there in front of the searcher? Maybe they are but they are not obvious to us. Like ALL govt. docs they are full of unnecessary descriptions of what they have done. Make it simple, who, what, where, when, that's all we need! By the way, what are the opening times of the covid test centre? Edited June 29, 2021 by doc.fixit 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winnie Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 Ultimately, I think nearly every-one will catch covid over the next couple of years - jabbed or not. Some will not know they have it, some will be ill for a few days, a few will go to hospital and a very small % will die. Long term, catching covid after the jab can only boost the immune system which is obviously a good thing. It's here to stay, so we'll all have to live with it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyingfemme Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 Anybody who, truly, cannot have the vaccinations must be very vulnerable to all sorts of bugs. They will have to either accept the risks and get out there or choose to live a pretty enclosed and limited life. My question to them (and others) would be, what have they done until now? Worn masks in flu season? Avoided contact with children? Kept out of crowded places? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 Just now, Flyingfemme said: Anybody who, truly, cannot have the vaccinations must be very vulnerable to all sorts of bugs. They will have to either accept the risks and get out there or choose to live a pretty enclosed and limited life. My question to them (and others) would be, what have they done until now? Worn masks in flu season? Avoided contact with children? Kept out of crowded places? That’s total nonsense. Anyone pregnant. No vaccine yet. Anyone with severe allergic reaction. No vaccine yet. lots of other contraindications. None of them meaning those people are vulnerable to all sorts of bugs. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 11 minutes ago, winnie said: Ultimately, I think nearly every-one will catch covid over the next couple of years - jabbed or not. Some will not know they have it, some will be ill for a few days, a few will go to hospital and a very small % will die. Long term, catching covid after the jab can only boost the immune system which is obviously a good thing. It's here to stay, so we'll all have to live with it. How many will develop long covid, putting serious strain on our health service in the decades to come? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 17 minutes ago, doc.fixit said: Well, we've just spent at least 30 mins trying to find the times of opening for the covid test centre on the govt. site. Still haven't found them! Now maybe it's our fault but why aren't the times right there in front of the searcher? Maybe they are but they are not obvious to us. Like ALL govt. docs they are full of unnecessary descriptions of what they have done. Make it simple, who, what, where, when, that's all we need! By the way, what are the opening times of the covid test centre? 8-13 but as you have to book just ring 111. What does it matter what opening hours are. You’ll get what you’re given. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winnie Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 1 minute ago, HeliX said: How many will develop long covid, putting serious strain on our health service in the decades to come? I don't know, but there will be data. I'd expect a very small percent of self employed people rising to a larger percentage of civil servants / government employees. If we have to invest more in the health service, then that's what has to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 7 minutes ago, winnie said: If we have to invest more in the health service, then that's what has to happen. I wish I had faith that this would happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 14 hours ago, TheTeapot said: A significant difference between the US and UK is that the US stuck to the recommended dosage schedule as designed by the manufacturers. 14 hours ago, TheTeapot said: Explain I will explain Design is an engineering term. Vaccines are developed by research. In real layman's terms a vaccine is a substance that, to the human body appears similar enough to the real thing that the bodies reaction is the same. Its akin to training a dog using a stuffed rabbit. Vaccines vary in how they are made and might , for example, be a bit of dead material from the virus or even a semi synthetic bit of material that's near enough to the virus to trigger an immune response. Anyway, vaccine creators produce a vaccine using research and laboratory testing. This is before starting trials on (sometimes animal first) human volunteers. The testing is to 1) Demonstrate it is safe and 2) Demonstrate it works The key point though is that, when the vaccine is initially developed, the developers would have no idea what the longevity of the protection would be. Only testing and previous experience can show this. Because we had a global pandemic there was a race against time. This would have put limits on being able to do long term tests (we would still be at it now) and therefore I understand that 6 weeks was the longest period tested and it was found to be very effective. It has now come to light that periods much greater than 6 week give good longevity. But this has to be balanced against the fact that in the period from 6 weeks to the 2nd vaccinated, the protection starts to wane. In general, its considered that the best time time to boost/2nd vaccination is just before the first jab starts to wear of. In practice you can't do this because everyone is different and its just not practical. This is why your statement saying the manufacturers 'designed' the vaccine to have a 6 week period between jabs was incorrect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nom de plume Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 26 minutes ago, John Wright said: That’s total nonsense. Anyone pregnant. No vaccine yet. Anyone with severe allergic reaction. No vaccine yet. lots of other contraindications. None of them meaning those people are vulnerable to all sorts of bugs. The very small % you refer to will need to shield for the greater good. Is that selfish. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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