IOM Covid removing restrictions

[Zarley]

14 minutes ago, the stinking enigma said:

We are 2 or 3 weeks behind them at the mo. The GMP shall catch up though.

We're working on it. Only one of the twelve cases yesterday was travel related. 

Before anyone rushes in to point it out, no one in hospital (as of yesterday afternoon) despite 71 active cases. 

[WTF]

1 hour ago, AcousticallyChallenged said:

Well, the UK Government are positioning themselves to anticipate for a fourth wave come Autumn...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/vaccine-passports-hospitality-coronavirus-restrictions-b1881618.html

then 73rd wave will be the biggy.

[Annoymouse]

51 minutes ago, the stinking enigma said:

We are 2 or 3 weeks behind them at the mo. The GMP shall catch up though.

By rights we should be 2 or 3 weeks ahead of the UK as we lifted restrictions earlier, so we should have more active cases per 100,000 than the UK.

[Roger Mexico]

9 minutes ago, Annoymouse said:

By rights we should be 2 or 3 weeks ahead of the UK as we lifted restrictions earlier, so we should have more active cases per 100,000 than the UK.

Not really, because they already had a lot of infections to start with while we had to wait for importation.  I suspect it's true about our testing levels being low though as current numbers are probably dominated by travel arrivals and symptomatic cases may be not being tested because the Delta variant seems to produce symptoms similar to a cold. 

[Annoymouse]

5 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

Not really, because they already had a lot of infections to start with while we had to wait for importation.  I suspect it's true about our testing levels being low though as current numbers are probably dominated by travel arrivals and symptomatic cases may be not being tested because the Delta variant seems to produce symptoms similar to a cold. 

Once it was imported by rights it should be following similar traits to the UK and spread like wildfire, it isn’t though? Close contacts of known positive cases don’t need to isolate or even test if double jabbed so again you’d expect a high level of spread, the figures aren’t showing that.

We also run the risk of tourists coming here on the basis they perceive us to be less risk, if true figures are being suppressed due to a lack of testing that’s something that should be highlighted. 
 

 

[Happier diner]

19 minutes ago, Annoymouse said:

Once it was imported by rights it should be following similar traits to the UK and spread like wildfire, it isn’t though? Close contacts of known positive cases don’t need to isolate or even test if double jabbed so again you’d expect a high level of spread, the figures aren’t showing that.

We also run the risk of tourists coming here on the basis they perceive us to be less risk, if true figures are being suppressed due to a lack of testing that’s something that should be highlighted. 
 

 

You are comparing apples with pears. Big high population density cities with small towns and open spaces. Compare us to say rural areas of the Dales or Scotland or Wales then I think you will find infection levels are similar. 

[Roger Mexico]

38 minutes ago, Annoymouse said:

Once it was imported by rights it should be following similar traits to the UK and spread like wildfire, it isn’t though? Close contacts of known positive cases don’t need to isolate or even test if double jabbed so again you’d expect a high level of spread, the figures aren’t showing that.

Well even wildfire actually spreads quite slowly.  It's just that it's then very difficult to put it out once you've let it.

Cases in the UK have been on the rise since the middle of May, slowly at first but rapidly increasing more recently:

That's what exponential growth means, it starts slowly but accelerates.  Our first locally acquired infection was only 26 June, but we're now seeing cases in double figure for two days:

All completely predictable and indeed as seen only a few months ago, where we had about a fortnight of sporadic single-figure cases (if that) and then things accelerated rapidly.  Vaccination should mean that the spread isn't as fast, but given the lack of controls and (as in February/March) the most likely group to spread being the young, who are unvaccinated, that may be counter-balanced.

[Numbnuts]

Wonder whats the story on the flagged up vaccine batchs that Government are saying no one has had over here but loads of people are showing the vaccine card with the batch numbers involved. Ashford saying  nobody over here has had them but clearly lots have . Whose lying and who do you believe ? Already been reported one traveller was stopped from travelling to Malta . 

[John Wright]

54 minutes ago, Numbnuts said:

Wonder whats the story on the flagged up vaccine batchs that Government are saying no one has had over here but loads of people are showing the vaccine card with the batch numbers involved. Ashford saying  nobody over here has had them but clearly lots have . Whose lying and who do you believe ? Already been reported one traveller was stopped from travelling to Malta . 

He didn’t actually say that no one had had the Indian manufactured Oxford Astra Zeneca vaccine with batch numbers ending Z001, Z002 or Z003. He said that Covishield hadn’t been given here. ( Covishield is the brand name of AZ sold by SII - it’s identical to AZ ). The labels on the bottles used here, and made in India, were AZ, not Covishield.

It’s called obfuscation and being economical with the truth. Some might call it dissembling.

Its been a problem we’ve had throughout this.

We were told that the expert opinion and factual material upon which political action was based would be published. It hasn’t. 

We were told that there’d be a point by point rebuttal of Rachel Glover’s claims. We are still waiting.

Weve been kept in the dark about the age and underlying conditions route of transmission. Same with hospitalisation and deaths and with or from. All in the interests of patient confidentiality.

Good piece by Gary Burgess on exactly the same scenario in Jersey.

 

[Numbnuts]

7 minutes ago, John Wright said:

He didn’t actually say that no one had had the Indian manufactured Oxford Astra Zeneca vaccine with batch numbers ending Z001, Z002 or Z003. He said that Covovax hadn’t been given here. ( Covovax is the brand name of AZ sold by SII - it’s identical to AZ ). The labels on the bottles used here, and made in India, were AZ, not Covovax.

It’s called obfuscation and being economical with the truth. Some might call it dissembling.

Its been a problem we’ve had throughout this.

We were told that the expert opinion and factual material upon which political action was based would be published. It hasn’t. 

We were told that there’d be a point by point rebuttal of Rachel Glover’s claims. We are still waiting.

Weve been kept in the dark about the age and underlying conditions route of transmission. Same with hospitalisation and deaths and with or from. All in the interests of patient confidentiality.

Good piece by Gary Burgess on exactly the same scenario in Jersey.

 

Thanks John , then if what your saying is true , and no reason to doubt you, Ashford and those around him need a slap. This is going to cost people money if they travel and then cant get where there intending to go. Ashford has lost the plot in recent months sadly .

[milestone 11]

He didn't say Covovax, he said Covishield. Covovax is something different entirely.

[John Wright]

16 minutes ago, milestone 11 said:

He didn't say Covovax, he said Covishield. Covovax is something different entirely.

You’re quite right. I’ve mixed up my covishield and Covovax. Thanks for correcting

[Zarley]

1 hour ago, Roger Mexico said:

 

 

You've got your dates wrong in your otherwise informative spreadsheet. Today's the tenth. 

[Roger Mexico]

12 minutes ago, Zarley said:

You've got your dates wrong in your otherwise informative spreadsheet. Today's the tenth. 

Sorry I meant to point out that the daily figures (that are announced at 3-4 pm) are always for the previous day and shown as such on the dashboard spreadsheet (I didn't produce it just excerpted it).  That's why you sometimes get news items about people being ill, but they don't appear in the figures - those are always as at the end of the previous day.

[Gladys]

2 hours ago, John Wright said:

He didn’t actually say that no one had had the Indian manufactured Oxford Astra Zeneca vaccine with batch numbers ending Z001, Z002 or Z003. He said that Covishield hadn’t been given here. ( Covishield is the brand name of AZ sold by SII - it’s identical to AZ ). The labels on the bottles used here, and made in India, were AZ, not Covishield.

It’s called obfuscation and being economical with the truth. Some might call it dissembling.

Its been a problem we’ve had throughout this.

We were told that the expert opinion and factual material upon which political action was based would be published. It hasn’t. 

We were told that there’d be a point by point rebuttal of Rachel Glover’s claims. We are still waiting.

Weve been kept in the dark about the age and underlying conditions route of transmission. Same with hospitalisation and deaths and with or from. All in the interests of patient confidentiality.

Good piece by Gary Burgess on exactly the same scenario in Jersey.

 

Don't bother waiting for the point by point rebuttal, DA has said that he has said all he is going to say on the matter.  As for the rest of it, I suppose the GE provides a nice exit strategy.