IOM Covid removing restrictions

[slinkydevil]

Just now, Nom de plume said:

Admin!!!!!!

Ban this sense talker NOW!!!!

He keeps coming back though.

[Happier diner]

25 minutes ago, Ramseyboi said:

Nice to see the doom merchants already predicting “hospitalisations”

Difficult to know how to counter it without being very blunt when it has already been pointed out why that isn’t an issue in previous pages.

COVID is currently running through all island schools and loads of workplaces.  That is obvious.  Without testing we would think it was a few people with hay fever or a cold.

Far more people have it than we will ever know.

Some of those people will get admitted to hospital for broken arms, heart attacks, appendicitis etc over the next few weeks.

Because they are tested on arrival they will be logged as “cases in hospital”

Jersey currently have 6, and a total of 10 in recent months I believe.  About half of these are said to be for non covid reasons but still go in the figures.

A very small number might end up in hospital purely because of COVID symptoms.  Typically now these are young people who are in for a couple of days then go home.

Some of those people with heart attacks etc may end up in ICU.  Unfortunately there are pretty much always people in ICU.  As the percentage of COVID increases then the chances of those people testing positive increases. That’s how proportionately works.

People will continue to die of other things. Especially the old and vulnerable and even those with two jabs. If they happen to test positive after their fatal heart attack at 74 and with a 30 year history of heart problems and obesity they will still show in our figures as in hospital, in ICU, and dead with COVID.  When in reality it isn’t a factor.

Most of the above was the case 12 months ago, but then the chances of a COVID infection becoming relevant to the care of those who had it was much higher.  Those days no one was vaccinated.

No one knows exactly what will happen now but the smart money is on COVId running through the island for a while and is not knowing if we weren’t testing.  A tiny number of people will be sick.  Some kids will get “long COVID” which seems similar to post viral fatigue that people have suffered from since time began and generally get over in a few months (I didn’t and still have low energy levels but don’t 100 percent know if this is what it’s just like to be 50)

In 3 months we will have all forgotten about it.  Other than those who lost their businesses, homes, mental health, or the small number who lost loved ones.  Most of whom if we are being brutally honest would have succumbed to flu or plenty of other ailments if they had been unfortunate enough to get them.

Cracking weather this weekend.  Island full of tourists.  Bands in Port Erin. Cav at the Villa and no more pointless isolation.

Let’s be positive and live our lives while we can eh?

Good post. One correction

Cav won't be at the Villa himself. Hopefully he'll be on the Champs Elysees!

[Happier diner]

2 hours ago, Nom de plume said:

The new narrative by ‘them’ is Long Covid.

Now we know C-19 is likely to be around forever & can still be passed on to those twice vaccinated, the ammunition has been reloaded & the pistol cocked.

More restrictions, more fear, more control … forever.

’They’ want your lives.

You have drifted into Conspiracy theory territory

I'm not into that

I think its more just lack of common sense

[Nom de plume]

11 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

You have drifted into Conspiracy theory territory

I'm not into that

I think its more just lack of common sense

You’ll be telling me the world is round next … freak! ;0)

[Roger Mexico]

3 hours ago, AlanShimmin said:

With wider spread in the community, one thing that we will see is people in hospital who have covid, but not in hospital because of covid. 

It is vital we make that distinction when it happens. 

It's useful to and they have tried to distinguish cases in the past, but it's not always as straightforward as you think.  Someone might go into hospital with a broken leg test positive on entry but remain asymptotic.  But equally the infection might then develop to the extent that they would have needed to be hospitalised anyway.  They might even catch Covid while in hospital and die from it (this happened a fair bit in the first wave in the UK).  It would be as misleading to exclude to latter two cases as to include the first.

And there's lots of other times when other conditions might be seriously worsened by Covid (and vice versa).  In the end admission wouldn't have happened or the consequences been as severe if the patient hadn't caught the virus.  Like it or not Covid was the cause here, even if other conditions made the patient more vulnerable.

People have to stop trying to convince themselves that catching Covid has no consequences.  It can be a deadly disease  and causes a lot of pain and discomfort even among many who don't need to be hospitalised.  Making excuses for it like the indulgent parent of a hooligan child is makes people look ridiculous.

[Amadeus]

[GD4ELI]

38 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said:

The IOM a bank on Athol St closed already for a deep clean. Only took them a few hours to start massively inconveniencing customers again. No doubt all staff are already working from home for the next six months.

My local sailing club has just closed the kitchens for a deep clean after a member of staff tested positive. This is the correct approach.

[Numbnuts]

Seems like all the information lines and 111 etc have backed up big time. People who have booked to travel over cant get through to book tests. And later today its going to get worse when pharmacies get it for the test kits. And yet people have answered job oportunities apparently for the likes of 111 but havent been contacted back. You'd have thought the powers that be would have learnt there lesson from previous experiences. Infrastructure seemingly cant cope . 

[Ramseyboi]

1 hour ago, Roger Mexico said:

It's useful to and they have tried to distinguish cases in the past, but it's not always as straightforward as you think.  Someone might go into hospital with a broken leg test positive on entry but remain asymptotic.  But equally the infection might then develop to the extent that they would have needed to be hospitalised anyway.  They might even catch Covid while in hospital and die from it (this happened a fair bit in the first wave in the UK).  It would be as misleading to exclude to latter two cases as to include the first.

And there's lots of other times when other conditions might be seriously worsened by Covid (and vice versa).  In the end admission wouldn't have happened or the consequences been as severe if the patient hadn't caught the virus.  Like it or not Covid was the cause here, even if other conditions made the patient more vulnerable.

People have to stop trying to convince themselves that catching Covid has no consequences.  It can be a deadly disease  and causes a lot of pain and discomfort even among many who don't need to be hospitalised.  Making excuses for it like the indulgent parent of a hooligan child is makes people look ridiculous.

Have you seen any evidence to this happening to anyone in a country where the vulnerable were vaccinated?

I can’t find any.  However, like you said and like I said in my post it was a concern a year ago.

[Ramseyboi]

30 minutes ago, Amadeus said:

Who is calling 111?  Only meant to be people with symptoms or booking tests for travel isn’t it but I thought you could book travel tests online now?

[HeliX]

9 minutes ago, Ramseyboi said:

Who is calling 111?  Only meant to be people with symptoms or booking tests for travel isn’t it but I thought you could book travel tests online now?

There's probably quite a few people with symptoms now.

[Zarley]

9 minutes ago, Ramseyboi said:

Who is calling 111?  Only meant to be people with symptoms or booking tests for travel isn’t it but I thought you could book travel tests online now?

Maybe all those LFTs handed out yesterday produced more positive results than anticipated by Ashford and his merry band. 

37 minutes ago, Roxanne said:

Of course, this will already have been anticipated and measures put in place.

I’m a big fan of the philosophy of stoicism. Marcus and I are big pals. In stoicism it’s advised that whatever task you undertake you think of all the things that could go wrong.

Unlike our government who introduce measures then wing everything that comes after. 

Exactly.

[Ramseyboi]

16 minutes ago, Zarley said:

Maybe all those LFTs handed out yesterday produced more positive results than anticipated by Ashford and his merry band. 

Exactly.

But if people needed a lft to tell them they had it then they didn’t need to take the left as they had no symptoms?

Mind boggling.  FB seems to be full of people wanting a test to show they have something they have no symptoms from so they can be positive like some sort of badge of honour and then winge about having to isolate when they voluntarily took the test?  Bizarre.

Just live your lives a normal.  Sick then stay at home.

Sick enough to need treatment then get it.

Otherwise why are people wanting to call 111?

Edited July 15, 2021 by Ramseyboi

[The Old Git]

115 new cases today. Test and trace have no chance

Edited July 15, 2021 by The Old Git
Track / test 🤷🏻‍♂️

[HeliX]

2 minutes ago, The Old Git said:

115 new cases today. Track and trace have no chance

16.5% positive test rate. Not very good.