Apple Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 (edited) Regarding the previous many comments about taking responsibility for our own health - its not quite as simple as that when we look to others (NHS) to provide the right leadership, guidance, information, communications, facilities and resources to enable us to do that. If they don't then they have avoided their prime responsibility and should be held accountable. Comments about opening up "come what may" do not take everyones situations into account and really wasn't necessary. 'Living with the virus' for everyone needed much more carful planning and was / is achievable. I fear this government has been found wanting, again. Edited July 19, 2021 by Apple 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 13 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: "You've got to learn to live with the virus" says the 'leadership', cowering away. What a hilarious bunch of absolute fucking pussies. Sadly Mr. Speaker has got his way. He's made no secret of the fact that he doesn't want the Island to open up? The question I have for him is.... if not now, then when? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Johnson Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 21 minutes ago, wrighty said: This really is quite embarrassing in my view. I wonder if the websites that collect worldwide data harvest these figures and end up with things like negative percentages recovering in the past 24 hours etc. How difficult can it be to have a single spreadsheet column containing ‘new positives’ since the previous snapshot, and having active cases being the sum of the last 14 cells, and daily change being a simple 2 cell subtraction? I am quite surprised that you are embarrassed about this, what with you being an employee of the government here for quite a few years. You must know how it works. I have been here 10 years and I know and I am not employed by them. My company does a little bit of government "Contracts" very little for good reason and I could write several books about incompetence in the higher ends of public office. Bullies and ass covering, rule in the world of IOM civil service and keeping "The Minions" (CS rank and file) shtum on the unsaid threat of "Them" "Getting" you is enough to keep most CS quiet. This island is about the most distasteful pile of crap I have ever come across and once I have wrung the last penny I can out of it I will be gone to anywhere, as anywhere is better than here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barlow Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 Are you alright hun? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annoymouse Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 53 minutes ago, Strife said: It’s even further out than that actually as several have recovered and not active anymore yesterday’s total positive cases was 1876. So 2114 - 1876 = 238. Yes, well spotted, how on earth are they calculating these numbers when it’s not even close? 52 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: And faithfully reported as 127 by Manx Radio, despite them querying it yesterday. The number of new cases is actually 2114 - 1876 = 238, so there must have been some recoveries. The number in Hospital is implausible for that number of active cases as well. Based on other countries 5 or 6 would be what you'd expect. Malta for example (which is also highly vaccinated) has 18 in hospital from 1963 active cases. I’d personally like to know what our rolling 7 day average is and if that’s actually being calculated correctly, that is how other countries are being judged/rated, we were previously ‘leading the way’ constantly comparing our efforts against other countries and that should work both ways, we can’t only take credit for the good, visitors should be able to make an informed choice and that requires clear & precise reporting of figures. I’m not sure if the figures are an example of carelessness or if they’re being manipulated but it hardly instils confidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham_N_Eggs Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 10 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said: Sadly Mr. Speaker has got his way. He's made no secret of the fact that he doesn't want the Island to open up? The question I have for him is.... if not now, then when? They have to vote on it tomorrow. Going to be quite interesting if the majority of members don't agree with Speaker. Especially since he is then asking him to vote for him to be President as the next item. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham_N_Eggs Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 Just now, Annoymouse said: Yes, well spotted, how on earth are they calculating these numbers when it’s not even close? I’d personally like to know what our rolling 7 day average is and if that’s actually being calculated correctly, that is how other countries are being judged/rated, we were previously ‘leading the way’ constantly comparing our efforts against other countries and that should work both ways, we can’t only take credit for the good, visitors should be able to make an informed choice and that requires clear & precise reporting of figures. I’m not sure if the figures are an example of carelessness or if they’re being manipulated but it hardly instils confidence. Given how regularly it's happening it's obviously deliberate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 It's to lessen the headline figure on that day. Then the others are added the next day with no fanfare. Thats whý they release the figures a bit earlier sometimes to create the window. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annoymouse Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Nom de plume said: The fixation with case numbers goes on. Jesus fucking wept. We’ve all been told to stop focusing on case numbers by our Government and that is the advice that you wish to follow, so doesn’t that actually make you the sheep? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 Nope. He's the shepherd of empathy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 5 minutes ago, the stinking enigma said: It's to lessen the headline figure on that day. Then the others are added the next day with no fanfare. Thats whý they release the figures a bit earlier sometimes to create the window. Except of course the dashboard specifically says. NEW CASES IN LAST 24 HOURS (their caps) so it should still include those from the previous calendar day after 3 pm or whenever. Maybe these are special civil service hours that only last 40 minutes. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 32 minutes ago, Apple said: Regarding the previous many comments about taking responsibility for our own health - its not quite as simple as that when we look to others (NHS) to provide the right leadership, guidance, information, communications, facilities and resources to enable us to do that. If they don't then they have avoided their prime responsibility and should be held accountable. Comments about opening up "come what may" do not take everyones situations into account and really wasn't necessary. 'Living with the virus' for everyone needed much more carful planning and was / is achievable. I fear this government has been found wanting, again. Surely taking responsibility for your own health involves applying the rules which we were given at the outset? Social distancing, masks where appropriate, hand gels, making your own decisions on how much you want to risk socialising? Everyone wants guidance, how much do you need? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: Except of course the dashboard specifically says. NEW CASES IN LAST 24 HOURS (their caps) so it should still include those from the previous calendar day after 3 pm or whenever. Maybe these are special civil service hours that only last 40 minutes. There a total embarrassment and have been through most of this. I also think they've lost grip of the situation big time when found out on several issues. This numbers anomaly being a classic. Also think many have there eyes on the looming election . I can put many out of there misery ! Your not getting back in . Edited July 19, 2021 by Numbnuts 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarley Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 5 minutes ago, Max Power said: Surely taking responsibility for your own health involves applying the rules which we were given at the outset? Social distancing, masks where appropriate, hand gels, making your own decisions on how much you want to risk socialising? Everyone wants guidance, how much do you need? Mitigations such as face coverings and social distancing only work effectively when the vast majority of the population engages in them. That's why we need stronger leadership and messaging - if not outright mandates - while infections are rising exponentially. 2 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarley Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 Has anyone else noticed what happens when you fiddle with the date slider on the case breakdown dashboard page? According to this from 12/07 to 18/07, there were 250 new cases on 16 July. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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