TheTeapot Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 Blue hearts Vs smileys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said: The anti vaxxer’s are just another group polarized by a lot of the hysteria around COVID-19. Some of the funniest debates on Twitter now are when the doom mongers attack the anti vaxxer’s. It’s like we’re all going to die if we don’t stay in lockdown, but I’m so angry at you for not getting vaccinated. But you’ve just said we’re all going to die anyway. Well I know that but you need to get vaccinated you moron. But you’ve just said we’re all going to die anyway so what’s the point. Etc, etc. Two hugely over reacting sides sides of the same coin to me. The time for debate/conversation is long gone you're either a mental anti vaxxer who is going to go round killing the elderly or a lockdown fanatic who just wants everyone to sit round in a bubble till you die. There is no middle ground. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danoo Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, Gladys said: From an infection control viewpoint why should you both be treated the same because you are not? For the same reason Guernsey have just announced that vaccinated travellers to the island from blue countries have to have had a negative test up to 48 hours before entering. Which makes complete sense. I am equally as susceptible to contracting COVID as my daughter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Danoo said: For the same reason Guernsey have just announced that vaccinated travellers to the island from blue countries have to have had a negative test up to 48 hours before entering. Which makes complete sense. I am equally as susceptible to contracting COVID as my daughter. Have you got any figures to support that? My understanding is that infection acquired immunity less effective than vaccination-acquired immunity. This is why it's recommended even when you've had the virus. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadAsHell Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 22 minutes ago, Gladys said: From an infection control viewpoint why should you both be treated the same because you are not? Do the the vaccines prevent onward transmission? How long does the protection last for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, MadAsHell said: Do the the vaccines prevent onward transmission? How long does the protection last for? They have been shown to reduce it in a few studies. Especially in infected households. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danoo Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said: Have you got any figures to support that? My understanding is that infection acquired immunity less effective than vaccination-acquired immunity. This is why it's recommended even when you've had the virus. The Cleveland Study is an interesting one. It appears that natural immunity and vaccine-derived immunity offer a similar level of protection. Do You Need a Vaccine After Having COVID-19? Experts Aren’t Sure (healthline.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 18 minutes ago, thommo2010 said: The time for debate/conversation is long gone you're either a mental anti vaxxer who is going to go round killing the elderly or a lockdown fanatic who just wants everyone to sit round in a bubble till you die. There is no middle ground. I am at neither end of the spectrum - I don't deny Covid is an infectious disease with the potential to kill. But I also acknowledge that the majority who contract it will recover, although some may have lasting effects. I support, absolutely, everyone who can getting jabbed. It is the right thing to do: a. So we can return to as near normality as possible and limit the physical health, mental health and socio-economic impact of lockdowns. b. To protect those who through medical issues cannot have the vax. I am happy for people to take what other mitigating measures they are happy with or as is dictated to them by their medical situation. But not for those people to require others to do more than vax, wear masks and social distance in appropriate situations. Most people probably have the same view rather than the polarised views you outline. 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Danoo said: The Cleveland Study is an interesting one. It appears that natural immunity and vaccine-derived immunity offer a similar level of protection. Do You Need a Vaccine After Having COVID-19? Experts Aren’t Sure (healthline.com) It's interesting, but if you read the intro, it actually lists some of the shortcomings. It's also pre-print, it hasn't been peer reviewed yet. They've also been working in a healthcare setting, which may change their risk profile. The study also highlights the issue against new variants, which weren't necessarily prominent there when the study was done. PHE are currently talking about Delta having a significantly higher rate of reinfection. I'm not knocking the study, but I expect we'll see more data around the topic as time goes on. Edited July 25, 2021 by AcousticallyChallenged Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danoo Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said: It's interesting, but if you read the intro, it actually lists some of the shortcomings. It's also pre-print, it hasn't been peer reviewed yet. They've also been working in a healthcare setting, which may change their risk profile. The study also highlights the issue against new variants, which weren't necessarily prominent there when the study was done. PHE are currently talking about Delta having a significantly higher rate of reinfection. I'm not knocking the study, but I expect we'll see more data around the topic as time goes on. Absolutely. We are still learning every day as we go at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gladys said: From an infection control viewpoint why should you both be treated the same because you are not? but some peoples natural immunity is better at dealing with the virus than some people who have been vaccinated from a symptoms point of view and maybe even from a contagious point of view, in which case does that make the unvaccinated person a safer person to society regarding covid.? and , would anybody want to know if it did. ?? Edited July 25, 2021 by WTF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarley Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 20 minutes ago, Gladys said: But not for those people to require others to do more than vax, wear masks and social distance in appropriate situations. I'm of a similar opinion to you. I don't want further lockdowns. I don't want to hide away in a bunker either, but to a certain extent I must simply because so few people are wearing masks or socially distancing in shops or other indoor public places. I'm happy to go out and about outdoors, even without a mask, but I'm quite wary in shops. Tomorrow morning I have to catch a bus into (dirty stinking) Douglas and I'm not looking forward to it at all. I'll be wearing a mask and hopefully sitting near an open window. I think the main thing that worries me about people refusing to get jabbed is the likelihood of the emergence of a vaxx-resistant strain being created. The more un-vaxxed there are amongst us, the better chance of this happening. Or so I've been led to understand. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 24 minutes ago, WTF said: but some peoples natural immunity is better at dealing with the virus than some people who have been vaccinated from a symptoms point of view and maybe even from a contagious point of view, in which case does that make the unvaccinated person a safer person to society regarding covid.? and , would anybody want to know if it did. ?? How do you know who is who? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Zarley said: I think the main thing that worries me about people refusing to get jabbed is the likelihood of the emergence of a vaxx-resistant strain being created. The more un-vaxxed there are amongst us, the better chance of this happening. Or so I've been led to understand. The real problem isn't the anti-vaxxers who are actually a tiny minority, or even those who can't for genuine medical reasons or who might not find the vaccine as effective. It's those who haven't been fully vaccinated yet (effectively 18-40) who mostly have the first jab but not the second. And 12-17 inc aren't being vaccinated at all yet, even though they are in a lot of countries. These are of course the groups where we have seen the highest numbers of Covid cases, not just in the most recent outbreak, but in the February/March one before vaccination had time to have an effect. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said: ... the same 20 people on different social media platforms making a hell a lot of noise about exactly the same stuff. 20 different 'characters', but actually the same person, probably 😁 It makes me laugh and fills me with wonder that someone will go to the trouble of maintaining all the personas; for what reason? Easily recognisable though...🤭 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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