IOM Covid removing restrictions

[snowman]

9 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said:

Or if you plain don’t fancy working like a lot of UK government departments who are all presumably not doing much while working from home judging by the delays incurred in providing the services they are paid to provide. 

 

During the pandemic, Her Majesty’s Passport Office has seen a significant drop in the number of people applying for passports. In a normal year it processes around seven million passport applications, however in 2020 just over 4 million people applied for their passport.

 

The DVLA in Wales has been subject to social distancing so paper applications are taking longer. They are currently working on papaer renewals dated 2 June 2021.  Renewals at post offices or DVLA online services take 5 days.

 

I can't be arsed typing any more....

Edited August 6, 2021 by snowman

[snowman]

The Joint Biosecurity Centre (JBC), UK Chief Medical Officers (CMOs) and the National Medical Director for England have today revised the definitions and methodology:

 

[Apple]

4 hours ago, offshoremanxman said:

From what I hear anecdotally government has a lot of lazy bastards citing a lot of different reasons as to why they need to work from home at the moment.

Thats not fair. They are preparing / hoping  to get re-elected.

[Ramseyboi]

erm, why?  Doesn't make any sense or seem very fair to prisoners or the families.

https://www.three.fm/news/isle-of-man-news/visits-to-iom-prison-suspended-following-small-covid-outbreak/?fbclid=IwAR2C4sq_PtWM2veaENq0xW7azuhStYM30g9tBJG3ZjqM-Wdtz5vrOr-UD8c

Edited August 6, 2021 by Ramseyboi

[Banker]

18 minutes ago, Ramseyboi said:

erm, why?  Doesn't make any sense or seem very fair to prisoners or the families.

https://www.three.fm/news/isle-of-man-news/visits-to-iom-prison-suspended-following-small-covid-outbreak/?fbclid=IwAR2C4sq_PtWM2veaENq0xW7azuhStYM30g9tBJG3ZjqM-Wdtz5vrOr-UD8c

I agree, the inmates are hardly the most vulnerable like care homes

[AcousticallyChallenged]

5 hours ago, The Phantom said:

I know a few like this.  Not a problem, it's their choice and if they've done proper research then fine.  It's the quite clear crackpots that should be berated. 

Most people aren't qualified to do 'proper' research.

[rachomics]

 

9 hours ago, offshoremanxman said:

It’s just indicative of the farcical level government is taking some things to while literally not caring in most other areas. You don’t have to wear a mask in Shoprite but we don’t want any unvaccinated potential puffin killers roaming around a windswept rock.

Yeah, so, it's not a government decision? I'm the first to jump in and criticise Government when they need it, but with this, it is a decision for the Manx Wildlife Trust, who are the employers of the Calf wardens. 

[rachomics]

9 hours ago, Ramseyboi said:

Give over!

How many people have needed emergency treatment with absolutely no warning as a result of COVID?

How many people have needed emergency treatment with no warning as a result of falling on a footpath?

How many people have needed emergency treatment with no warning as a result of heart attack?

maybe we should all just live at the hospital just in case?

A warden broke their ankle last year and it needed a medivac. Not cheap and not the best use of resources. 

[rachomics]

9 hours ago, NoTailT said:

Aye!! Maybe the good doctor is just defending advice her little medical group gave?

You realise I'm not a medic, right? It's not "my" little medical group: I'm the only scientist and I applied because the motion requesting the formation of the EAG put me between a rock and a hard place (if I hadn't applied, David Ashford would have crapped on me in the press by saying "she didn't apply"). The rest are judges, emergency planners, financial bods, third-sector people and legal specialists.

Believe me when I say that often I'm the voice of reason in that group, as there's at least one member who would have had us back in full lockdown the second that a travel case was detected. 

We also don't have any more information from the government to give said advice than anyone on here gets. We're not party to any government info. 

9 hours ago, Danoo said:

So why is the requirement not to test overnight visitors then? I know a number of people who have had both jabs and still had COVID. Any double jabbed visitor could still be unwittingly increasing the risk to wardens. 

I don't know. I'll ask, given I'm a trustee of MWT. 

Edited August 6, 2021 by rachomics

[NoTailT]

12 minutes ago, rachomics said:

 

Yeah, so, it's not a government decision? I'm the first to jump in and criticise Government when they need it, but with this, it is a decision for the Manx Wildlife Trust, who are the employers of the Calf wardens. 

Ah which as you've said you're a trustee of. So you ARE defending something you've influenced then?

[Happier diner]

9 hours ago, Roger Mexico said:

The wardens should have been vaccinated as well for the obvious reason that you minimise the chances of any medical emergency when you are in that situation[1].  But it's not just the wardens who would be at risk, it's especially any unvaccinated guests.  The accommodation is hostel-style and small, so if anyone catches anything, it'll get passed on.  And as Rachel says, you don't want to have a medical emergency on the Calf - it can sometimes be difficult enough getting on and off in normal circumstances.

 

[1]  I'm assuming (perhaps optimistically) that the system might allow people in such vulnerable positions to possibly get vaccinated out of turn for their age group.  But given how badly they dealt with the Steam Packet, maybe not.

Are the wardens 16year olds?

[Roger Mexico]

39 minutes ago, NoTailT said:

Ah which as you've said you're a trustee of. So you ARE defending something you've influenced then?

She's a Trustee, not a manager.

32 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

Are the wardens 16year olds?

No, but they've been on the Calf since April, when not many people except the elderly had been double-jabbed.

[rachomics]

1 hour ago, NoTailT said:

Ah which as you've said you're a trustee of. So you ARE defending something you've influenced then?

Nope, I have no operational decision making. The first I heard of the decision was through the local news today. Trustees are like non-executive directors; we look at strategy, not operational decisions (which are the remit of the CEO and staff). 

Edited August 6, 2021 by rachomics

[Roger Mexico]

51 minutes ago, rachomics said:

You realise I'm not a medic, right? It's not "my" little medical group: I'm the only scientist and I applied because the motion requesting the formation of the EAG put me between a rock and a hard place (if I hadn't applied, David Ashford would have crapped on me in the press by saying "she didn't apply"). The rest are judges, emergency planners, financial bods, third-sector people and legal specialists.

Believe me when I say that often I'm the voice of reason in that group, as there's at least one member who would have had us back in full lockdown the second that a travel case was detected. 

We also don't have any more information from the government to give said advice than anyone on here gets. We're not party to any government info. 

Your last point is both shocking and completely to be expected.   These are people who are obsessed with control, but uninterested in what they are supposed to be controlling.  It's not even that they want power without responsibility, they just want position, but have no interest in what they do with it. 

So information is to be hoarded to maintain their self-importance and avoid possible criticism, not shared so others can use to better the common good.

I'd noticed the lack of working scientists on a scientific advisory committee (though some others do have a scientific background or education).  It's not like they were even restricted to those on-Island as at least two members are based in the UK and participate remotely.  But as ever the real criteria are based on who you are, not what you know.  They lack the skills and the willingness to be able to recruit from more than their circle of personal knowledge.  I think they happen to have ended up with some good people and of course it's not just scientific knowledge that should be input, other expertise is important as is the sort of critical thinking used to examining problems.  But two lawyers to one scientist does look rather odd.

[slinkydevil]

'Oh hello, is that Belgium? Yes, well I'm just wondering I've got a letter here from Manx Care... yes Manx Care it's a government health service, in the Isle of Man. The Isle of Man, it's a crown dependancy in the Irish Sea. No not the Isle of Wight, it's a small Island with it's own Government... no, no not part of the UK. Well we have these letters to say we have been vaccinated and I'm just trying to find out if you will accept them for entry? Manx Care, they are a health service in the Isle of Man... Manx? Oh that's... oh fuck it never mind.'

What a fucking faff that it's so non official that you have to check with countries and providers. Great government side step there.