IOM Covid removing restrictions

[AlanShimmin]

1 hour ago, rachomics said:

there's at least one member who would have had us back in full lockdown the second that a travel case was detected. 

All the more reason to disband the extremist EAG. 

[AlanShimmin]

26 minutes ago, slinkydevil said:

'Oh hello, is that Belgium? Yes, well I'm just wondering I've got a letter here from Manx Care... yes Manx Care it's a government health service, in the Isle of Man. The Isle of Man, it's a crown dependancy in the Irish Sea. No not the Isle of Wight, it's a small Island with it's own Government... no, no not part of the UK. Well we have these letters to say we have been vaccinated and I'm just trying to find out if you will accept them for entry? Manx Care, they are a health service in the Isle of Man... Manx? Oh that's... oh fuck it never mind.'

What a fucking faff that it's so non official that you have to check with countries and providers. Great government side step there.

Why don't they just get permission to issue letters on UK NHS headed paper?

 

Although this is a prime example of the Government's love of faff, bureaucracy and general making a task one hundred times harder than it needs to be! 

Edited August 6, 2021 by AlanShimmin

[John Wright]

21 minutes ago, slinkydevil said:

'Oh hello, is that Belgium? Yes, well I'm just wondering I've got a letter here from Manx Care... yes Manx Care it's a government health service, in the Isle of Man. The Isle of Man, it's a crown dependancy in the Irish Sea. No not the Isle of Wight, it's a small Island with it's own Government... no, no not part of the UK. Well we have these letters to say we have been vaccinated and I'm just trying to find out if you will accept them for entry? Manx Care, they are a health service in the Isle of Man... Manx? Oh that's... oh fuck it never mind.'

What a fucking faff that it's so non official that you have to check with countries and providers. Great government side step there.

And it’s no good Ashford claiming they didn’t know about the need for digital passes for travel, attendance at events, etc. They invited expressions of interest way back in March for the design of a QR system.

Why they didn’t negotiate with NHS England then, and upload the vaccination data and biometrics to Pinnacle as vaccinations were delivered, it’s from the Pinnacle system that the NHS App QR pass is generated.

However Ashford wriggles, squirms, dissembles, the truth is that this is a monumental cock up. On his watch.

[The Voice of Reason]

1 hour ago, rachomics said:

You realise I'm not a medic, right? It's not "my" little medical group: I'm the only scientist and I applied because the motion requesting the formation of the EAG put me between a rock and a hard place (if I hadn't applied, David Ashford would have crapped on me in the press by saying "she didn't apply"). 

Not at all. If you hadn’t applied David Ashford if asked would no doubt say “she is not on the EAG because she did not apply” . That’s not crapping on you. It would have been a straightforward answer to a straightforward question.

Not quite sure how you think your decision to apply or not puts you between a rock and a hard place. It’s up to you whether you applied or not.

Or maybe, as has been suggested before ,you have an inflated sense of your own  importance and imagined there was a great clamour for you to join the group.

[John Wright]

2 minutes ago, AlanShimmin said:

Why don't they just get permission to issue letters on UK NHS headed paper?

 

Although this is a prime example of the Government's love of faff, bureaucracy and general making a task one hundred times harder than it needs to be! 

Because our data isn’t on the English NHS data base, because we didn’t upload it to Pinnacle contemporaneously, and still haven’t done so, successfully.

[finlo]

10 minutes ago, John Wright said:

And it’s no good Ashford claiming they didn’t know about the need for digital passes for travel, attendance at events, etc. They invited expressions of interest way back in March for the design of a QR system.

Why they didn’t negotiate with NHS England then, and upload the vaccination data and biometrics to Pinnacle as vaccinations were delivered, it’s from the Pinnacle system that the NHS App QR pass is generated.

However Ashford wriggles, squirms, dissembles, the truth is that this is a monumental cock up. On his watch.

All blame is with NHS digital nowt to do him!

[The Voice of Reason]

1 minute ago, finlo said:

All blame is with NHS digital nowt to do him!

Like he has so much influence over NHS digital.

[finlo]

Just now, The Voice of Reason said:

Like he has so much influence over NHS digital.

None but that's not the real reason for yet another total clusterfuck!

 

[pongo]

2 hours ago, rachomics said:

You realise I'm not a medic, right? It's not "my" little medical group: I'm the only scientist and I applied because the motion requesting the formation of the EAG put me between a rock and a hard place (if I hadn't applied, David Ashford would have crapped on me in the press by saying "she didn't apply"). The rest are judges, emergency planners, financial bods, third-sector people and legal specialists.

Believe me when I say that often I'm the voice of reason in that group, as there's at least one member who would have had us back in full lockdown the second that a travel case was detected.

I'm never convinced that airing these kind of bad moods and disagreements in public (especially the internet) is a good look.

[Gladys]

40 minutes ago, John Wright said:

And it’s no good Ashford claiming they didn’t know about the need for digital passes for travel, attendance at events, etc. They invited expressions of interest way back in March for the design of a QR system.

Why they didn’t negotiate with NHS England then, and upload the vaccination data and biometrics to Pinnacle as vaccinations were delivered, it’s from the Pinnacle system that the NHS App QR pass is generated.

However Ashford wriggles, squirms, dissembles, the truth is that this is a monumental cock up. On his watch.

Another!

[Banker]

1 hour ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Not at all. If you hadn’t applied David Ashford if asked would no doubt say “she is not on the EAG because she did not apply” . That’s not crapping on you. It would have been a straightforward answer to a straightforward question.

Not quite sure how you think your decision to apply or not puts you between a rock and a hard place. It’s up to you whether you applied or not.

Or maybe, as has been suggested before ,you have an inflated sense of your own  importance and imagined there was a great clamour for you to join the group.

Thanks Ashie for nothing!

[Gladys]

1 hour ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Not at all. If you hadn’t applied David Ashford if asked would no doubt say “she is not on the EAG because she did not apply” . That’s not crapping on you. It would have been a straightforward answer to a straightforward question.

Not quite sure how you think your decision to apply or not puts you between a rock and a hard place. It’s up to you whether you applied or not.

Or maybe, as has been suggested before ,you have an inflated sense of your own  importance and imagined there was a great clamour for you to join the group.

There are quite a few with an inflated sense of their own importance.  Some have the knowledge and expertise to deserve it, others only have their unswerving belief in themselves and absolutely nothing to deserve it. 

In fact, there are innumerable clusterfucks that underline the extent of inflation beyond ability.

I am sure others will assist, but here are just a few:-

Buying a bubblegum remover machine that never worked

Buying a diesel locomotive that has never worked

Buying a radar tower that has never worked because it is not compliant, ( I may be wrong on that and it is now passed as compliant albeit several years later)

Commissioning a major civil engineering project on one of the main and most iconic roads and failing to bring it to fruition even remotely on time and on budget

Commiting to build a landing stage that even before a spade has been put in the earth has exceeded initial cost estimates by many multiples

Abandonment of the most vulnerable in society now left to their own devices and the erratic help of charities - children, homeless, mental health - after a period of strictures that has had unprecedented impact on those very groups

More specifically:-

Shredding a letter in a cynical but very obvious publicity stunt to undermine someone who had stepped up in the initial phases 

Failing to adequately support the island's lifeline despite owning it and being asked to assist in the risk mitigation, meanwhile castigating them in a public briefing

Taking a vaccination holiday just at the time plans were afoot to open up borders

Woeful, inconsistent and inaccurate data throughout a period when clear communication of information was absolutely vital

I could go on and am sure I have missed quite a few things, but there you go.

And please don't reply with 'but we lived relatively normally for a large part of the pandemic', because the answer is yes we did, but it was hardly rocket science.  The rocket science was making sure the impact of the various measures was minimal and managed.  The real impact is now being ignored and as the problems that have been caused emerge, they are dismissed.

 

 

 

[snowman]

3 hours ago, slinkydevil said:

'Oh hello, is that Belgium? Yes, well I'm just wondering I've got a letter here from Manx Care... yes Manx Care it's a government health service, in the Isle of Man. The Isle of Man, it's a crown dependancy in the Irish Sea. No not the Isle of Wight, it's a small Island with it's own Government... no, no not part of the UK. Well we have these letters to say we have been vaccinated and I'm just trying to find out if you will accept them for entry? Manx Care, they are a health service in the Isle of Man... Manx? Oh that's... oh fuck it never mind.'

What a fucking faff that it's so non official that you have to check with countries and providers. Great government side step there.

Which countries or embassies have they proactively contacted in order to arrange approval ?

Is there any country who states they will accept the Manx Care vaccination letter and the DHSS disclaimer for financial and consequential loss if entry is refused?

I bet the letters look like something a primary school kid could make 

Edited August 6, 2021 by snowman

[snowman]

2 hours ago, pongo said:

I'm never convinced that airing these kind of bad moods and disagreements in public (especially the internet) is a good look.

She's got more balls than you @pongo

Grow a pair 

Edited August 6, 2021 by snowman

[AlanShimmin]

9 minutes ago, snowman said:

Which countries or embassies have they proactively contacted in order to arrange approval ?

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