IOM Covid removing restrictions

[John Wright]

6 hours ago, AlanShimmin said:

Foxdalian Consulate 

That’s the Peoples Democratic Republic of Foxdale to you

[Nom de plume]

10 hours ago, slinkydevil said:

'Oh hello, is that Belgium? Yes, well I'm just wondering I've got a letter here from Manx Care... yes Manx Care it's a government health service, in the Isle of Man. The Isle of Man, it's a crown dependancy in the Irish Sea. No not the Isle of Wight, it's a small Island with it's own Government... no, no not part of the UK. Well we have these letters to say we have been vaccinated and I'm just trying to find out if you will accept them for entry? Manx Care, they are a health service in the Isle of Man... Manx? Oh that's... oh fuck it never mind.'

What a fucking faff that it's so non official that you have to check with countries and providers. Great government side step there.

Three weeks ago my vaccination history all of a sudden appeared on my NHS app, not suitable for travel mind you as there were no batch numbers, dates administered or type of vaccine delivered. No QR code.

Now it’s vanished again.

It’s shambolic.. 

[Happier diner]

9 hours ago, Gladys said:

There are quite a few with an inflated sense of their own importance.  Some have the knowledge and expertise to deserve it, others only have their unswerving belief in themselves and absolutely nothing to deserve it. 

In fact, there are innumerable clusterfucks that underline the extent of inflation beyond ability.

I am sure others will assist, but here are just a few:-

Buying a bubblegum remover machine that never worked

Buying a diesel locomotive that has never worked

Buying a radar tower that has never worked because it is not compliant, ( I may be wrong on that and it is now passed as compliant albeit several years later)

Commissioning a major civil engineering project on one of the main and most iconic roads and failing to bring it to fruition even remotely on time and on budget

Commiting to build a landing stage that even before a spade has been put in the earth has exceeded initial cost estimates by many multiples

Abandonment of the most vulnerable in society now left to their own devices and the erratic help of charities - children, homeless, mental health - after a period of strictures that has had unprecedented impact on those very groups

More specifically:-

Shredding a letter in a cynical but very obvious publicity stunt to undermine someone who had stepped up in the initial phases 

Failing to adequately support the island's lifeline despite owning it and being asked to assist in the risk mitigation, meanwhile castigating them in a public briefing

Taking a vaccination holiday just at the time plans were afoot to open up borders

Woeful, inconsistent and inaccurate data throughout a period when clear communication of information was absolutely vital

I could go on and am sure I have missed quite a few things, but there you go.

And please don't reply with 'but we lived relatively normally for a large part of the pandemic', because the answer is yes we did, but it was hardly rocket science.  The rocket science was making sure the impact of the various measures was minimal and managed.  The real impact is now being ignored and as the problems that have been caused emerge, they are dismissed.

 

 

 

Good post.....but you forgot your favourite....genomics🤭

[Zarley]

8 hours ago, snowman said:

Which countries or embassies have they proactively contacted in order to arrange approval ?

Is there any country who states they will accept the Manx Care vaccination letter and the DHSS disclaimer for financial and consequential loss if entry is refused?

I bet the letters look like something a primary school kid could make 

I don't understand why they don't take 3-4 of the well-paid and well-pensioned DHSC and/or Manx Care employees and give them each a list of countries to call to find out which accept the letters and which do not.  

It's ridiculous that they're putting the onus on the GMP to do their work for them. What are we paying these people for, if not to do things like this? 

I hope there are enough younger voters to counteract the granny-farming effect to vote Ashford out in September. Maybe this vaccine passport fiasco will motivate people to vote. 

Btw, I'm saying this as someone who has no plans or wish to travel. This is a fundamental failure on Ashford's part and this proves beyond a shadow of doubt that he is not fit to be an MHK. This is the failure that should break the proverbial camel's back. 

[John Wright]

13 minutes ago, Zarley said:

I don't understand why they don't take 3-4 of the well-paid and well-pensioned DHSC and/or Manx Care employees and give them each a list of countries to call to find out which accept the letters and which do not.  

It's ridiculous that they're putting the onus on the GMP to do their work for them. What are we paying these people for, if not to do things like this? 

I hope there are enough younger voters to counteract the granny-farming effect to vote Ashford out in September. Maybe this vaccine passport fiasco will motivate people to vote. 

Btw, I'm saying this as someone who has no plans or wish to travel. This is a fundamental failure on Ashford's part and this proves beyond a shadow of doubt that he is not fit to be an MHK. This is the failure that should break the proverbial camel's back. 

It doesn’t need anyone to be diverted to phone around.

The answer is none of them.

Its all triaged by airline Check-In staff, who aren’t even employed by the airline, but by ground handling agents.

They may accept some paper stuff now, but, within Europe, by September, it’ll be digital QR only.

[AcousticallyChallenged]

1 hour ago, Nom de plume said:

Three weeks ago my vaccination history all of a sudden appeared on my NHS app, not suitable for travel mind you as there were no batch numbers, dates administered or type of vaccine delivered. No QR code.

Now it’s vanished again.

It’s shambolic.. 

That’s just your feed from your GP. Nothing to do with the vaccination passport side.

[AcousticallyChallenged]

9 hours ago, snowman said:

Which countries or embassies have they proactively contacted in order to arrange approval ?

Is there any country who states they will accept the Manx Care vaccination letter and the DHSS disclaimer for financial and consequential loss if entry is refused?

I bet the letters look like something a primary school kid could make 

The Calf of Man says they’ll take them! 

[Zarley]

13 minutes ago, John Wright said:

It doesn’t need anyone to be diverted to phone around.

The answer is none of them.

Its all triaged by airline Check-In staff, who aren’t even employed by the airline, but by ground handling agents.

They may accept some paper stuff now, but, within Europe, by September, it’ll be digital QR only.

So you're saying whether or not the paper from Manx Care is accepted is down to the discretion of the check-in staff? I was under the impression that it was ultimately the individual countries governments who decided what was acceptable - or not acceptable - for entry. 

Are you also saying we already know that no country accepts them? ("The answer is none of them.") If so, why doesn't Ashford just say so and save people running up their phone bills? 

Anyway, I'm glad I've no intention or need to travel abroad, although I feel for those who do. It's a mess.

[John Wright]

1 minute ago, Zarley said:

So you're saying whether or not the paper from Manx Care is accepted is down to the discretion of the check-in staff? I was under the impression that it was ultimately the individual countries governments who decided what was acceptable - or not acceptable - for entry. 

Are you also saying we already know that no country accepts them? ("The answer is none of them.") If so, why doesn't Ashford just say so and save people running up their phone bills? 

Anyway, I'm glad I've no intention or need to travel abroad, although I feel for those who do. It's a mess.

You won’t get on the plane without a QR, at least in Europe. Each government agrees with each airline or ferry line arriving that they will check at point of departure. 

The airlines do it, and are strict, because if they arrive with non compliant passengers with duff documentation they have to pay for isolation and return fare.

[Apple]

12 hours ago, pongo said:

I'm never convinced that airing these kind of bad moods and disagreements in public (especially the internet) is a good look.

On the contrary In think it is very important to air some issues in the public domain if it is against an individuals or the public interest. 

There are decisions and judgements made everyday about what is in all our interests and these should be open the right kind of scrutiny and by the right people. (Arguably one of the main benefits of Manx Forums, but that is a whole new topic in itself).

This Government unfortunately confuses confidentiality with secrecy and that is not healthy for any society.

[KERED]

3 hours ago, Happier diner said:

Good post.....but you forgot your favourite....genomics🤭

. . .  but Ashie made a point by point rebuttal of all the allegations in the Glovergate Scandal. . .  didn't he?   . . . . oh, hang on!

[Major Rushen]

3 hours ago, John Wright said:

You won’t get on the plane without a QR, at least in Europe. Each government agrees with each airline or ferry line arriving that they will check at point of departure. 

The airlines do it, and are strict, because if they arrive with non compliant passengers with duff documentation they have to pay for isolation and return fare.

Correct the Airlines check in system that the Ground Handlers use shows what is required, passport, visa and   vaccination status with the method of compliance.

[Cambon]

3 hours ago, John Wright said:

You won’t get on the plane without a QR, at least in Europe. Each government agrees with each airline or ferry line arriving that they will check at point of departure. 

The airlines do it, and are strict, because if they arrive with non compliant passengers with duff documentation they have to pay for isolation and return fare.

The government should simply issue everyone who has been double jabbed a letter with the vaccination information on it, and a laminated QR code on a card. When scanned will show your name and vaccine information. 

If someone then wants to take a photo and store either on their phone, or something, that is up to them. 

It will cost very little to do, take little time, and solve the problem very quickly. 

 

[John Wright]

21 minutes ago, Cambon said:

The government should simply issue everyone who has been double jabbed a letter with the vaccination information on it, and a laminated QR code on a card. When scanned will show your name and vaccine information. 

If someone then wants to take a photo and store either on their phone, or something, that is up to them. 

It will cost very little to do, take little time, and solve the problem very quickly. 

 

You’re assuming that will be internationally acceptable.

They invited expressions of interest for this way back in March.

They knew they had to upload data in Pinnacle to get it onto the NHS App digital pass.

They didn’t sort it out, because they’re incompetent, at best, and negligent at worst.

Then Ashford provides misleading info about start dates, 28/6, July, 12 August, it’s got to wait for Wales ( except it was uploaded and alive 5 weeks ago ) and now that there are English NHS legal issues - if there are it’s about the quality and integrity of the Manx data upload to Pinnacle before it’s dumped over into the NHS App pass section - that’s an IOM matter.

[The Central Scrutiniser]

4 hours ago, John Wright said:

It doesn’t need anyone to be diverted to phone around.

The answer is none of them.

Its all triaged by airline Check-In staff, who aren’t even employed by the airline, but by ground handling agents.

They may accept some paper stuff now, but, within Europe, by September, it’ll be digital QR only.

Polite question. Why will non QR vaccine  documentation no longer be acceptable come September?