quilp Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 8 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: This is an alright interview with one of the more rational voices of the pandemic. Bit of a surprise the guardian published it, seeing as they've been a bit on the side of the doom and gloom referenced. Worth a couple of minutes of your time https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/07/prof-francois-balloux-the-pandemic-has-created-a-market-for-gloom-and-doom Everyone interested enough should have a read of that. Short enough even for the easily-distracted. He makes valid points on "scientific populism" and "psychosomatic long covid." Both by-products of this pandemic, as is the doom and gloom market. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramseyboi Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 Not that we needed it, but confirmation again on Manx Radio today that no pregnant women have been admitted as a result of COVID, but that several have tested positive after admission for other things and so shown in the hospital figures. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, quilp said: Everyone interested enough should have a read of that. Short enough even for the easily-distracted. He makes valid points on "scientific populism" and "psychosomatic long covid." Both by-products of this pandemic, as is the doom and gloom market. He's been a very useful follow over on twitter for me, he speaks a lot of sense, but just as importantly tries to point out when others are not. People really need to quickly get up to speed with the idea that everyone is going to get covid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annoymouse Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 5 hours ago, Danoo said: The farce continues.... https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/311368 I’ve read a few articles recently suggesting that the vaccine doesn’t actually reduce transmission/spread at all but what it does do is heavily reduce the chances of being seriously ill/hospitalisation, so the vaccine is still effective. I suppose the next steps will be to stop penalising the unvaccinated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramseyboi Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: He's been a very useful follow over on twitter for me, he speaks a lot of sense, but just as importantly tries to point out when others are not. People really need to quickly get up to speed with the idea that everyone is going to get covid. Exactly. A lot who are scared of it also need to get their head around the fact that they might well have already had it and not noticed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danoo Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, Annoymouse said: I’ve read a few articles recently suggesting that the vaccine doesn’t actually reduce transmission/spread at all but what it does do is heavily reduce the chances of being seriously ill/hospitalisation, so the vaccine is still effective. I suppose the next steps will be to stop penalising the unvaccinated. Let's see what our government do here, whether we now move to 2+2+1 or just do away with the whole restrictions altogether. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 6 minutes ago, Annoymouse said: I’ve read a few articles recently suggesting that the vaccine doesn’t actually reduce transmission/spread at all but what it does do is heavily reduce the chances of being seriously ill/hospitalisation, so the vaccine is still effective. I suppose the next steps will be to stop penalising the unvaccinated. I think @wrighty mentioned, but I've also seen it mentioned elsewhere, that the vaccine effectively takes 30 years off your age when it comes to the symptoms etc of Covid. So, if you are 80 and been vaxxed, you'd have a similar response to a 50 year old un-vaxxed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annoymouse Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 20 minutes ago, Danoo said: Let's see what our government do here, whether we now move to 2+2+1 or just do away with the whole restrictions altogether. A lot of the focus on 2+2 travel was on the understanding it reduced transmission, a lot of folk also got the vaccine in the belief it would stop them transmitting the virus to others, if that does prove to be false then there is absolutely no reason to restrict the unvaccinated as they’re effectively only gambling with their own health, certainly no worse than say smoking or excessive alcohol consumption, it would then be considered a personal choice rather than a case of being selfish? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 19 minutes ago, Annoymouse said: A lot of the focus on 2+2 travel was on the understanding it reduced transmission, a lot of folk also got the vaccine in the belief it would stop them transmitting the virus to others, if that does prove to be the case It won't prove to be the case! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 58 minutes ago, Danoo said: Let's see what our government do here, whether we now move to 2+2+1 or just do away with the whole restrictions altogether. A sensible middle route might be to end restrictions for the vaccinated but to maintain or increase restrictions for those who choose to be unvaccinated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 Too divisive, potential for an ugly 'us and them' scenario. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 Worse than it is now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Annoymouse said: I’ve read a few articles recently suggesting that the vaccine doesn’t actually reduce transmission/spread at all but what it does do is heavily reduce the chances of being seriously ill/hospitalisation, so the vaccine is still effective. I suppose the next steps will be to stop penalising the unvaccinated. The second part is true, but vaccines do also reduce transmission a bit as well because they reduce the possibility of people catching it by about 60%. Unfortunately if people also then also modify their behaviour to be more high-risk, that advantage can be lost. 1 hour ago, The Phantom said: I think @wrighty mentioned, but I've also seen it mentioned elsewhere, that the vaccine effectively takes 30 years off your age when it comes to the symptoms etc of Covid. So, if you are 80 and been vaxxed, you'd have a similar response to a 50 year old un-vaxxed. Yes, it's a good way of illustrating the advantages of the vaccine. But you need to remember that, just as younger people were still admitted to the Hospital in previous outbreaks, it means that older people will still have some vulnerability. Paradoxically we seem to have more older people admitted to Noble's this time than we did in March. While the over-80s were vaccinated then as well, they were protected by lockdown and perhaps greater caution. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 There's a mental health element to a lot of the anti vaxxers. I don't think demonising them is going to help, but it looks like thats the way we are going to go with it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annoymouse Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 48 minutes ago, pongo said: A sensible middle route might be to end restrictions for the vaccinated but to maintain or increase restrictions for those who choose to be unvaccinated. Anyone unvaccinated is highly likely to catch Covid over the next 12 months regardless of whether they leave the island or not. If anything the more unvaccinated folk that catch Covid and suffer health issues/hospitalisation, the greater vaccination would become more appealing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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