IOM Covid removing restrictions

[747-400]

4 hours ago, TomTucker said:

Have we just totally forgotten about genomics now ?

Delta is potentially worse for kids and the unvaccinated then there is Delta+, Lambda from Peru and Epsilon from California and Pakistan. 

Of our 888 active cases and our 4k closed which variant are we presently battling ? None of this I understand but its important stuff for public health to be aware and planning for. 

Or are we still waiting for the Kent variant to be sequenced in Liverpool

I thought all cases were analysed for variant. Dr E and Mr A talked at the PAC at length about the 5-7 day turnaround being acceptable……

Edited August 10, 2021 by 747-400
Omitted word ”day”, so as to not confuse with hours or months..

[747-400]

1 hour ago, Ramseyboi said:

Every positive PCR is still sent to Liverpool.  It was either Dr Ewart at a recent briefing or DA on Manx Radio a couple of weeks ago said they are all Delta.

Not that it matters.  Stuff all we can do different if a new variant arrives we just have to crack on any way and please stop testing and stressing.

 

Statistically surely we shall see the same as what is in the UK? 

We won’t be generating our own Onchan variant for example 🤪

[Dave Hedgehog]

2 minutes ago, 747-400 said:

Statistically surely we shall see the same as what is in the UK? 

We won’t be generating our own Onchan variant for example 🤪

Known symptoms of the Onchan variant include angry postings on Facebook about dog turds and pesky kids 

[Andy Onchan]

3 minutes ago, 747-400 said:

Statistically surely we shall see the same as what is in the UK? 

We won’t be generating our own Onchan variant for example 🤪

Wanna bet? 😉

[The Phantom]

3 hours ago, TheTeapot said:

, which means that some of the stories that'll be in the press the next couple of months are going to be factually challenging.

I like that.... 😁

[Roger Mexico]

3 hours ago, TheTeapot said:

This is well worth a read for everyone about that 

https://ec.europa.eu/research-and-innovation/en/horizon-magazine/qa-why-history-suggests-covid-19-here-stay

It's a very interesting piece, though I must point out that one thing I take from it is that there may be another Coronavirus in circulation killing off people without it being noticed because the lab tests aren't being done.  Also if OC43 is still killing people after 130 years, it suggests that the belief that SARS-CoV-2 will politely evolve into something basically harmless straight away might be a bit misguided.

An interesting Twitter thread from Christina Pagels about Delta and transmissibility (h/t @rachomics), pointing out that while viral loads are similar for both vaccinated and unvaccinated, they reduce much quicker among those who have had the jabs (which is what you would expect).   It may be that the Singapore study she takes her illustration from is biased in that they were hospitalised with Covid (both vaccinated and unvaccinated) and so you might expect similar viral loads to do that, but the faster decline in viral load (and lower levels of intervention needed) does show the benefits.

It also suggests the reduction to 10 days from 14 for isolation etc  as the Manx government has arbitrarily done is unjustified but if it is it should be for those vaccinated, rather than all patients - or that it should be even longer for the unvaccinated.

[TheTeapot]

25 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

It's a very interesting piece, though I must point out that one thing I take from it is that there may be another Coronavirus in circulation killing off people without it being noticed because the lab tests aren't being done.  Also if OC43 is still killing people after 130 years, it suggests that the belief that SARS-CoV-2 will politely evolve into something basically harmless straight away might be a bit misguided. 

The pandemic it likely caused didn't last 130 years though. 

 

[AlanShimmin]

New cases: Down 

Active cases: Down 

Hospital cases: Down 

ICU cases: Down 

 

 

Doom merchants: Busy working out how to put a negative spin on it. 

[Banker]

Just now, AlanShimmin said:

New cases: Down 

Active cases: Down 

Hospital cases: Down 

ICU cases: Down 

 

 

Doom merchants: Busy working out how to put a negative spin on it. 

Don’t worry the doom merchants will be on all social media soon!!

Some woman on radio this morning demanding that mandatory face masks be introduced everywhere as there were not sufficient numbers wearing them!

[Barlow]

6 minutes ago, AlanShimmin said:

New cases: Down 

Active cases: Down 

Hospital cases: Down 

ICU cases: Down 

 

 

Doom merchants: Busy working out how to put a negative spin on it. 

 

3 minutes ago, Banker said:

Don’t worry the doom merchants will be on all social media soon!!

Some woman on radio this morning demanding that mandatory face masks be introduced everywhere as there were not sufficient numbers wearing them!

Are the numbers going down because people are wearing facemasks and taking other precautions?

 

[Ramseyboi]

6 minutes ago, Barlow said:

 

Are the numbers going down because people are wearing facemasks and taking other precautions?

 

No way are enough people wearing masks or taking precautions to make any difference.

Numbers are going down through a combination of vaccine protection, natural immunity and summer.

Played perfectly by COMIN to utilise the last two weeks of school and now  the summer holidays to plant the virus and let it spread without doing too much harm.

Few more weeks and no one will be talking about it anymore thankfully.

[Ramseyboi]

Booster jabs better used being sent overseas.

Need to move away from community testing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58159573

[Cassie2]

48 minutes ago, Ramseyboi said:

No way are enough people wearing masks or taking precautions to make any difference. Numbers are going down through a combination of vaccine protection, natural immunity and summer. Played perfectly by COMIN to utilise the last two weeks of school and now  the summer holidays to plant the virus and let it spread without doing too much harm.

Few more weeks and no one will be talking about it anymore thankfully.

Herd immunity 'not a possibility' with Delta variant: 

Professor Sir Andrew Pollard, director of the Oxford Vaccine Group, has said herd immunity is "not a possibility" with the current Delta variant.

He told a session of the All-Party Group on Coronavirus: "We know very clearly with coronavirus that this current variant, the Delta variant, will still infect people who have been vaccinated and that does mean that anyone who's still unvaccinated, at some point, will meet the virus."

He added: "I think we are in a situation here with this current variant where herd immunity is not a possibility because it still infects vaccinated individuals."

He predicted that the next thing may be "a variant which is perhaps even better at transmitting in vaccinated populations" making it "even more of a reason not to be making a vaccine programme around herd immunity."

Edited August 10, 2021 by Cassie2

[Cassie2]

LONG COVID - THE MAYO CLINIC. COVID-19 (coronavirus): LONG-TERM EFFECTS

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-long-term-effects/art-20490351#:~:text=rates by state-,COVID-19 (coronavirus)%3A Long-term effects,completely within a few weeks.

COVID-19 (coronavirus): Long-term effects
COVID-19 symptoms can sometimes persist for months. The virus can damage the lungs, heart and brain, which increases the risk of long-term health problems.

Most people who have coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) recover completely within a few weeks. But some people — even those who had mild versions of the disease — continue to experience symptoms after their initial recovery. These people sometimes describe themselves as "long haulers" and the conditions have been called post-COVID-19 syndrome or "long COVID-19." These health issues are sometimes called post-COVID-19 conditions. They're generally considered to be effects of COVID-19 that persist for more than four weeks after you've been diagnosed with the COVID-19 virus.

Older people and people with many serious medical conditions are the most likely to experience lingering COVID-19 symptoms, but even young, otherwise healthy people can feel unwell for weeks to months after infection. Common signs and symptoms that linger over time include:

Fatigue
Shortness of breath or difficulty breathing
Cough
Joint pain
Chest pain
Memory, concentration or sleep problems
Muscle pain or headache
Fast or pounding heartbeat
Loss of smell or taste
Depression or anxiety
Fever
Dizziness when you stand
Worsened symptoms after physical or mental activities

ORGAN DAMAGE CAUSED BY COVID-19
Although COVID-19 is seen as a disease that primarily affects the lungs, it can damage many other organs as well. This organ damage may increase the risk of long-term health problems. Organs that may be affected by COVID-19 include:

Heart. Imaging tests taken months after recovery from COVID-19 have shown lasting damage to the heart muscle, even in people who experienced only mild COVID-19 symptoms. This may increase the risk of heart failure or other heart complications in the future.
Lungs. The type of pneumonia often associated with COVID-19 can cause long-standing damage to the tiny air sacs (alveoli) in the lungs. The resulting scar tissue can lead to long-term breathing problems.
Brain. Even in young people, COVID-19 can cause strokes, seizures and Guillain-Barre syndrome — a condition that causes temporary paralysis. COVID-19 may also increase the risk of developing Parkinson's disease and Alzheimer's disease.
Some adults and children experience multisystem inflammatory syndrome after they have had COVID-19. In this condition, some organs and tissues become severely inflamed.

[AlanShimmin]

1 minute ago, Cassie2 said:

LONG COVID

TLDR; 

Some doctors say 'long covid' fucks you up good and proper.