pongo Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 15 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said: How do you believe the unvaccinated pose a direct threat to you to the point that they need to be banned from everywhere that you frequent? They basically pose a much more significant threat to themselves. On 8/8/2021 at 8:12 PM, pongo said: Large numbers of unvaccinated people keep the thing in circulation and increase the likelihood of further mutation. They pose a significant risk of further transmission. And if they get sick then they will create a drain on NHS resources. Research has shown that vaccinated people who catch Covid 19 typically have a significantly reduced 'viral load' and are therefore less likely to spread it. It's not only that the anti-vaccine people are dumb. Not getting vaccinated is selfish. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesypeas Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 11 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said: The viral load argument is largely anecdotal. Vaccinated people can still pass it on so really the unvaccinated largely pose a risk only to themselves. Really? If you’re double jabbed, surely there’s a good chance you are not suffering the same symptoms, and not coughing and spluttering the same ? Doesn’t that mean you have less viral load? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 9 hours ago, offshoremanxman said: The viral load argument is largely anecdotal. Vaccinated people can still pass it on so really the unvaccinated largely pose a risk only to themselves. It's not anecdotal and it's not a black white situation. If a vaccinated persons immune system is working well, the virus may start to replicate if they are infected. Therefore it's possible that they could pass it on until such time as its killed off by the body. In an unvaccinated person it's more likely to replicate further as it will take the body's immune system longer to fight it. There is its highly probable that they will be infectious. That's why unvaccinated people are a bigger risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramseyboi Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 All I can find re viral load is that they are the same, vaccinated or unvaccinated. That is when you look at the latest research rather than what they thought a month or so ago and also shows why this is an ever changing situation because basically - nobody knows. With the latest data available places probably would have made such a differential in the treatment of 2+2 and in fact some places are starting to remove the differences and treat everyone the same. i.e. as a risk. https://www.vcuhealth.org/news/covid-19/breakthrough-infections-viral-load-what-does-this-mean-to-you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 48 minutes ago, Ramseyboi said: All I can find re viral load is that they are the same, vaccinated or unvaccinated. That is when you look at the latest research rather than what they thought a month or so ago and also shows why this is an ever changing situation because basically - nobody knows. With the latest data available places probably would have made such a differential in the treatment of 2+2 and in fact some places are starting to remove the differences and treat everyone the same. i.e. as a risk. https://www.vcuhealth.org/news/covid-19/breakthrough-infections-viral-load-what-does-this-mean-to-you Forget viral load. It's related but it's not the crux of the argument. It's a silly terminology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarley Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, Happier diner said: Forget viral load. It's related but it's not the crux of the argument. It's a silly terminology. How do you figure that? The higher a person's viral load, the more virus they have circulating in their body, and the more infectious they are. Not only that, but the higher a person's viral load, the more likely it is that their immune system becomes overwhelmed and they become seriously ill and end up in hospital. I'd say viral load is a very important consideration and not "silly terminology". 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 https://leftlockdownsceptics.com/2021/08/a-view-of-covid-and-the-left-in-14-points/?doing_wp_cron=1628592829.6493051052093505859375 I like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 12 hours ago, Ramseyboi said: Jeez I hope not. Just shows how polarised people are on this. No way would I expect anyone to work from home or mask up for a cold. People’s immune systems are going to end up completely shot and dependent on jabs for everything This is a very important point. Colds and flu would be one heck of a lot more dangerous to everyone if they were not left to run rampant. Protect the elderly with flu jabs and let the rest crack on as normal. That is also what needs to happen with Covid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 50 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: https://leftlockdownsceptics.com/2021/08/a-view-of-covid-and-the-left-in-14-points/?doing_wp_cron=1628592829.6493051052093505859375 I like this. Some serious crackpots in the comments! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out of the blue Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 Interesting points made to a select UK parliamentary committee yesterday. Stated that herd immunity is unlikely to ever be reached due to Delta’s transmission rate exasperated by evidences that vaccinated people still catch and transmit the virus with the same viral load as non vaccinated people. The conclusion that the person reporting to the committee made was that the continued testing and reporting of mild and asymptomatic cases was of no use as it couldn’t be controlled and that it was counterproductive to the nations psyche and ultimately its limited resources and that only hospitalisation and deaths mattered now. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanShimmin Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 7 minutes ago, Out of the blue said: Interesting points made to a select UK parliamentary committee yesterday. Stated that herd immunity is unlikely to ever be reached due to Delta’s transmission rate exasperated by evidences that vaccinated people still catch and transmit the virus with the same viral load as non vaccinated people. The conclusion that the person reporting to the committee made was that the continued testing and reporting of mild and asymptomatic cases was of no use as it couldn’t be controlled and that it was counterproductive to the nations psyche and ultimately its limited resources and that only hospitalisation and deaths mattered now. It was obvious from the beginning that the technical definition of herd immunity/eradication of the virus is not possible. What many regard as 'herd immunity' is where enough people have antibodies so as not to get properly fucked up by the virus and so ease pressure on the health service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 Israel researchers are touting a new drug which appears to be producing excellent results in treating covid patients... https://m.jpost.com/health-science/israel-to-expand-use-of-covid-drug-that-gets-88-percent-of-patients-out-of-hospital-676397 Looks like they're going to need it, as of today, with all its groundbreaking research and public compliance to regs, Israel is experiencing fresh outbreaks with 4,755 new cases, 400 of whom are in critical stages. Over 50%of cases are double-jabbed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 30 minutes ago, quilp said: Israel researchers are touting a new drug which appears to be producing excellent results in treating covid patients... https://m.jpost.com/health-science/israel-to-expand-use-of-covid-drug-that-gets-88-percent-of-patients-out-of-hospital-676397 Looks like they're going to need it, as of today, with all its groundbreaking research and public compliance to regs, Israel is experiencing fresh outbreaks with 4,755 new cases, 400 of whom are in critical stages. Over 50%of cases are double-jabbed. Sounds too good to be true, which sadly usually turns out to be the case. If not, however, the medical press will be all over this very soon. I’ll report back if anything turns up in the BMJ. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danoo Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 4 hours ago, Happier diner said: Forget viral load. It's related but it's not the crux of the argument. It's a silly terminology. It is THE crux of the argument. If the viral load is so low your body doesn't even bother mounting an immune response against it, it is almost impossible to be spreading any, unless you French kiss everyone you walk past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanShimmin Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 @rachomicsany chance you could get back to me about whether you are contracted to supply materials to Government for testing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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