Cassie2 Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Annoymouse said: ''........................Dr Ranson hasn’t vented her frustration publicly through the likes of Twitter or social media though, she has maintained her professionalism throughout and it’s a lot harder to bite your tongue then it is to shout out loud and tell the world.'' But that has not stopped the Ashford MBE circus sacking her within hours of the PAC publishing her evidence to them. THEY run the asylum. Tweeted this morning: Tanya August-Hanson MLC @Taniemarie 53m ''And... now I’m hearing she’s been sacked. That’s what I’ve been told from a very good source, yes.'' Edited August 12, 2021 by Cassie2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annoymouse Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, Cassie2 said: But that has not stopped the Ashford MBE circus sacking her within hours of the PAC publishing her evidence to them. THEY run the asylum. Tweeted this morning: Tanya August-Hanson MLC @Taniemarie 53m ''And... now I’m hearing she’s been sacked. That’s what I’ve been told from a very good source, yes.'' I’m not jumping on this until it’s confirmed officially. Sacking would allow an unfair dismissal claim, unless that is their intention, as if she files unfair dismissal it’s a quick way to get everything hushed up as she wouldn’t be allowed to talk publicly about how she has been treatment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramseyboi Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 Sadly Mr Ashford’s large fan club won’t read the full transcript or even consider changing their opinion and so will vote him back in. His PR is something else. This seems another example, and I have heard many, of top politicians ignoring the advice of the people whose jobs it is to advise them. What causes behaviour like that? Why would people with no direct experience in and area (specifically DA and HQ) ignore and overrule the experts who are there to advise them? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nom de plume Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 11 minutes ago, Ramseyboi said: Sadly Mr Ashford’s large fan club won’t read the full transcript or even consider changing their opinion and so will vote him back in. His PR is something else. This seems another example, and I have heard many, of top politicians ignoring the advice of the people whose jobs it is to advise them. What causes behaviour like that? Why would people with no direct experience in and area (specifically DA and HQ) ignore and overrule the experts who are there to advise them? Playing Devils Advocate, as I often like to do ... Dr. Ranson is (was) employed as the IOM Medical Director, Dr. Ewart as the Director of Public Health. Who, in our opinion, carries more clout. As we've witnessed here throughout this thing - we've all got our opinions on what was wrong, what was right. I'm sure the conversations were heated at the time but one suspects the UK guidance always wins out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah 01 Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 11 hours ago, Roger Mexico said: Everything the most cynical and despairing of us thought about the way the Manx government operates turns out to be true. At last, the message has sunk home. I'm vindicated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham_N_Eggs Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 50 minutes ago, Ramseyboi said: What causes behaviour like that? Why would people with no direct experience in and area (specifically DA and HQ) ignore and overrule the experts who are there to advise them? Power amplifying the Dunning-Kruger effect. 51 minutes ago, Ramseyboi said: His PR is something else. Never trust a Tory. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 I can only think ashie has been promised a seat on legco if it all goes tits up for him in the elections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Galen Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 59 minutes ago, Nom de plume said: Dr. Ranson is (was) employed as the IOM Medical Director, Dr. Ewart as the Director of Public Health. Who, in our opinion, carries more clout. As we've witnessed here throughout this thing - we've all got our opinions on what was wrong, what was right. My understanding has always been Directors of Public Health do not need to be medically qualified - though many are. Non-medically trained persons, but with a Masters in Public Health can (and are) appointed by some UK health care organisations to the role.Generally speaking their interests are in the health of populations, how diseases spread and can be controlled, what vaccine rollouts should be etc. and are not involved with individuals or small groups or people with similar conditions. Whereas, Medical Directors do need to be medically qualified and while perhaps having specialised expertise by virtue of their medical training, oversee all the medics in the establishment in which they work, usually a Trust - which can comprise of several hospitals. Such individuals take the collective view of their clinical colleagues and then decide what policy will be etc. I am sure Wrighty will correct me if things have changed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barlow Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ramseyboi said: What causes behaviour like that? Why would people with no direct experience in and area (specifically DA and HQ) ignore and overrule the experts who are there to advise them? 50 minutes ago, Ham_N_Eggs said: Power amplifying the Dunning-Kruger effect. In this case their self-belief and self-importance are vindicated with a gong. As is often the way. Edited August 12, 2021 by Barlow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomTucker Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 Sam @ gef has produced a multpart breakdown. Easier reading: https://gef.im/2021/08/12/before-sht-hit-the-fan/ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Annoymouse said: I’m not jumping on this until it’s confirmed officially. Sacking would allow an unfair dismissal claim, unless that is their intention, as if she files unfair dismissal it’s a quick way to get everything hushed up as she wouldn’t be allowed to talk publicly about how she has been treatment. That's the only remotely logical reason for it to happen now (if it has), but it's completely self-defeating because all the damaging stuff is out there and sacking her now would look like they are admitting that it was all true and they are just trying to silence her. What is more, because she gave her evidence back in May and they knew about (and responded to) it, if she did anything sackable they should have responded then. The fact that the report was released yesterday had nothing to do with her. As they didn't sack or suspend her in May, reacting now would have no possible legal justification. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 Quote In response the DHSC says it's concerned that the information she's presented is 'inaccurate, has no evidence base, is unfounded and/or unprofessional'. https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/dhsc-medical-directors-evidence-inaccurate/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramseyboi Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 1 minute ago, offshoremanxman said: Well that and of course Tynwald is now dissolved. So nobody politically can be responsible for giving her, her cards either. I wouldn’t have thought they could sack you for anything said at the PAC as that would be privileged disclosures. They’ve probably had to think of something else if true. No MHKs, but ministers are still ministers aren’t they? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheldon Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 1 minute ago, TheTeapot said: https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/dhsc-medical-directors-evidence-inaccurate/ If anybody would recognise "unprofessional" it's those chunts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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