pongo Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 @wrighty - that's a great straight answer re your definition of ASAP. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southfork Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, pongo said: Don't you mean sheight ? No I can spell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfer Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 34 minutes ago, wrighty said: You’re very keen to pin me down on this for some reason. I’ll try and be precise, but for reasons I’ve stated, repeatedly, it makes no sense to say “pubs open July 23rd” or whatever. I’d go with schools, non-essential retail, office work etc, and allow social gatherings within reason - 10 people, inside or out - from now. This is just MY opinion - it’s not shared by the whole clinical group, because as I keep saying the evidence is mixed. I have more of a hard-headed economist persona than an altruistic individualist caring approach. I’d then monitor. If it went well in terms of new cases, hospital admissions, itu occupancy etc I’d move to the next stage a couple of weeks later - restaurants, cafes, hairdressers etc. If not, possibly rein back in according to information from contact tracing. I think this opinion is pretty mainstream. The only differences are in timing and pace of change. A lot of us want this, just need to tell teachers they need to start earning their pay which they won't like. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Login Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 25 minutes ago, pongo said: @wrighty - that's a great straight answer re your definition of ASAP. Thank you. I agree. Whether or not you agree with wrighty's position it is lovely to read a clear and concise explanation of his personal view. If only Government could be as clear and concise as I might agree or disagree with their position, but at least I would understand it, know what it is and could plan accordingly. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkenMonkey Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Golfer said: A lot of us want this, just need to tell teachers they need to start earning their pay which they won't like. How are they not earning their pay, out of interest? Edited May 10, 2020 by DrunkenMonkey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfer Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 Just now, DrunkenMonkey said: How are they not earning their pay, put of interest? Because most of them are at home and doing nothing! I accept some are doing modest child minding. as I've mentioned before I know a number and they're delighted by this , full pay for fuck all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulJ Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 1 hour ago, wrighty said: I have more of a hard-headed economist persona than an altruistic individualist caring approach. It's very noticable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellie Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 1 hour ago, wrighty said: The problem with ‘clinical reasons’ are that the evidence is either weak, non-existent, or contradictory. There’s a spectrum of clinical opinion, based on what you do. Psychiatrists are seeing an increase in mental health crises so want to get going. Intensivists are worried they’ll be overwhelmed so are more cautious. Orthopaedic surgeons want to be able to get on with the day job of replacing joints etc so need the hospital back to normal functioning. Health economists are incredulous that £millions are being spent per QALY, when the usual limit is £30k. The politicians have the unenviable job of finding some balance in all this, while trying to please as many (upset as few) of the population as possible, who also have their own priorities. Again, in my personal view, I’d get back to normal ASAP while shielding the vulnerable, maintaining health and care service capacity, but keeping borders shut - UK remains a cess-pit of infection however Boris spins it. How quickly can we make you Chief Minister? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 27 minutes ago, DrunkenMonkey said: How are they not earning their pay, out of interest? My neighbour is a head master and hasn't left home (except to walk the dog or cycle etc for weeks! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, Nellie said: How quickly can we make you Chief Minister? never, he's too sensible for the establishment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkenMonkey Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, finlo said: My neighbour is a head master and hasn't left home (except to walk the dog or cycle etc for weeks! 21 minutes ago, Golfer said: Because most of them are at home and doing nothing! I accept some are doing modest child minding. as I've mentioned before I know a number and they're delighted by this , full pay for fuck all! So what both of you are saying is that neither of you have any evidence of teachers and headteachers not working. Teachers are still working and still delivering education, keeping normal working hours. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, finlo said: My neighbour is a head master and hasn't left home (except to walk the dog or cycle etc for weeks! headmasters don't tend to take lessons , if ever we had a head teacher for class our usual one was off ill . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 (edited) got my PPE sorted , but only if my dog shit covered coat doesn't work Edited May 10, 2020 by WTF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfer Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 7 minutes ago, DrunkenMonkey said: So what both of you are saying is that neither of you have any evidence of teachers and headteachers not working. Teachers are still working and still delivering education, keeping normal working hours. That's crap , I have seen them load the car up and go out for day and be in tesco, cycling during what would be school hours. children are getting minimal teaching online if any! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Golfer said: A lot of us want this, just need to tell teachers they need to start earning their pay which they won't like. That's a very broad brush. What about those specialist staff who deal with such as special needs kids who have no conception of distancing and require continual close support? How do you protect them? And indeed the kids? "Teachers" covers a broad spectrum. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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