Roger Mexico Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 53 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: The vaccinations heavily reduce transmission. . They don't seem to by much unfortunately. They clearly do reduced the likelihood of someone catching Covid by a bit (though not massively) we see this in the weekly figures that vaccinated people make up most of those diagnosed with Covid (last week 76% of these were at least partly vaccinated), it's less than the 95% or so in the population who are vaccinated. But they don't seem to reduce transmissibility by much. There was some evidence that they did previous to the Delta variant (from memory it was around 60%), but recent studies show similar viral loads in vaccinated and unvaccinated patients. The UK random sampling suggest a bit of a reduction in viral load, but that is because they are picking up asymptomatic cases as well, so what you gain by reducing the transmissability, you lose by increasing the likelihood of the vaccinated catching it. There is also some suggestion that viral load will reduce faster in the vaccinated, meaning they will be infectious for a shorter period, but the difference may only be marginal in practice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: They don't seem to by much unfortunately. They clearly do reduced the likelihood of someone catching Covid by a bit (though not massively) we see this in the weekly figures that vaccinated people make up most of those diagnosed with Covid (last week 76% of these were at least partly vaccinated), it's less than the 95% or so in the population who are vaccinated. But they don't seem to reduce transmissibility by much. There was some evidence that they did previous to the Delta variant (from memory it was around 60%), but recent studies show similar viral loads in vaccinated and unvaccinated patients. The UK random sampling suggest a bit of a reduction in viral load, but that is because they are picking up asymptomatic cases as well, so what you gain by reducing the transmissability, you lose by increasing the likelihood of the vaccinated catching it. There is also some suggestion that viral load will reduce faster in the vaccinated, meaning they will be infectious for a shorter period, but the difference may only be marginal in practice. They do. There's millions of 'studies' and the 'evidence' seems to be constantly changing, and what was 70% last week will be 56 this and 90 next etc. Because things are hard to measure. But all the sensible people agree, they reduce transmission by 1) lowering your chance of developing the disease 2) shortening the time you have the disease & 3) reducing the symptoms when you do so you cough less. I can't be arsed providing links to back this up because I no longer care enough, but its out there. The question is, with the overwhelming majority of those who want a vaccine done, who are we still protecting? The unvaxxed? The vaxxed? The NHS? Pfft. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 If we are told that coughing, shouting and singing etc are far more risky behaviours than sitting lonesome quietly in the corner of a pub a la our own Barlow, then it would seem quite simple logic to me that wearing masks is better than not wearing them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 Better for what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 All this talk about if you touch you mask it cancels out all the effect of wearing them, no it doesn't, the 2 effects aren't equal 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 Better for not spreading covid to people that are vulnerable, though you may be asymtomatic yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 It's almost like a number of ground breaking and incredibly efficient vaccines had never been invented. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 6 hours ago, Roger Mexico said: They don't seem to by much unfortunately. They clearly do reduced the likelihood of someone catching Covid by a bit (though not massively) we see this in the weekly figures that vaccinated people make up most of those diagnosed with Covid (last week 76% of these were at least partly vaccinated), it's less than the 95% or so in the population who are vaccinated. But they don't seem to reduce transmissibility by much. There was some evidence that they did previous to the Delta variant (from memory it was around 60%), but recent studies show similar viral loads in vaccinated and unvaccinated patients. The UK random sampling suggest a bit of a reduction in viral load, but that is because they are picking up asymptomatic cases as well, so what you gain by reducing the transmissability, you lose by increasing the likelihood of the vaccinated catching it. There is also some suggestion that viral load will reduce faster in the vaccinated, meaning they will be infectious for a shorter period, but the difference may only be marginal in practice. Sorry, but it is a double ended sword. The vaccine reduces your likelihood of catching it and reduces your likelihood of transmitting it to the tunebof 70%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 5 hours ago, the stinking enigma said: All this talk about if you touch you mask it cancels out all the effect of wearing them, no it doesn't, the 2 effects aren't equal So, you park at the top of M&S, put on your already used mask before leaving your car. You adjust your mask several times before pushing open the door. You adjust that pesky mask one more time before pressing the button for the lift. Once inside, you press for the ground floor. The door takes ages, so you press the close door button several times whilst coughing into your hand. I am not even going to continue. This is so pathetic. Masks do nothing! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpha-acid Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, Cambon said: So, you park at the top of M&S, put on your already used mask before leaving your car. You adjust your mask several times before pushing open the door. You adjust that pesky mask one more time before pressing the button for the lift. Once inside, you press for the ground floor. The door takes ages, so you press the close door button several times whilst coughing into your hand. I am not even going to continue. This is so pathetic. Masks do nothing! You are deluded read the science masks stop spreading it, you will be another one in ICU 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Cambon said: The vaccine reduces your likelihood of catching it and reduces your likelihood of transmitting it to the tune of 70%. These figures, there's as many variants on the numbers as there is with Covid. Which are we to be confident of, choose to believe? 25 minutes ago, Cambon said: So, you park at the top of M&S, put on your already used mask before leaving your car. You adjust your mask several times before pushing open the door. You adjust that pesky mask one more time before pressing the button for the lift. Once inside, you press for the ground floor. The door takes ages, so you press the close door button several times whilst coughing into your hand. I am not even going to continue. This is so pathetic. Masks do nothing! Conveniently packaged and effective hand-gels are available for situations such as you describe, as are clean and disposable masks. The advised precautions are also there to make people feel safer, regardless of effectiveness in real terms. Mask-wearing obviously has the opposite effect on you. It's hard to identify what the substance of your jag is, Cambon. You've contradicted yourself on this subject a few times recently. If vulnerable people feel on safer ground wearing a mask and applying gel who are you complain? I've not come across any figures which indicate that masks actually enable transmission, there is a possibility I suppose, but even then only indirectly by people who don't know how to wear and dispose of them properly. Here's a science-based link on fomite transmission, which stresses the risk appears very low. It also includes a link about mask-wearing... https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/science-and-research/surface-transmission.html Edited September 9, 2021 by quilp Short of breath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
display name Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 7 hours ago, Cambon said: Masks do nothing! Agreed. Well,the type you see the majority wearing anyway. Partially keep a cough under control,but only partially. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 7 hours ago, Cambon said: So, you park at the top of M&S, put on your already used mask before leaving your car. You adjust your mask several times before pushing open the door. You adjust that pesky mask one more time before pressing the button for the lift. Once inside, you press for the ground floor. The door takes ages, so you press the close door button several times whilst coughing into your hand. I am not even going to continue. This is so pathetic. Masks do nothing! Wow. You've lost the plot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 "Unvaccinated children are at a lower risk of death than fully vaccinated adults of any age" https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1016465/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_36.pdf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itsmeee Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 The Facebook loons will go nuts at this: https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/govt-figures-show-three-further-covid-deaths/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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