The Chief Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 16 minutes ago, Itsmeee said: The Facebook loons will go nuts at this: https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/govt-figures-show-three-further-covid-deaths/ Funny how these extra 6 or so have come out since Howie and Ashy fucked off and left us with no government, can't be blamed for those i guess, gongs are safe phew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 16 minutes ago, Itsmeee said: The Facebook loons will go nuts at this: https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/govt-figures-show-three-further-covid-deaths/ How difficult is it for the very low numbers involved here in all things Covid-related to be accurately reported? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 14 minutes ago, Gladys said: How difficult is it for the very low numbers involved here in all things Covid-related to be accurately reported? They have to make sure of the facts, so that idiots don't go "ah but did they die with or from" as if it's some kind of gotcha thing and that they know what they're even talking about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: They have to make sure of the facts, so that idiots don't go "ah but did they die with or from" as if it's some kind of gotcha thing and that they know what they're even talking about Isn't that simply dealt with by counting the deaths where Covid is mentioned on the death certificate? The continual inaccuracies in the numbers isn't reassuring at all. The numbers involved in hospitalisations etc. are low and could be captured with a pen and paper if the IT systems can't cope. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanShimmin Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 23 minutes ago, Gladys said: How difficult is it for the very low numbers involved here in all things Covid-related to be accurately reported? Didn't they essentially say the ones omitted from the dashboard were (potentially) deaths where covid wasn't the main cause? eg run over by a cyclist within 28 days of testing positive for Covid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, Gladys said: Isn't that simply dealt with by counting the deaths where Covid is mentioned on the death certificate? The continual inaccuracies in the numbers isn't reassuring at all. The numbers involved in hospitalisations etc. are low and could be captured with a pen and paper if the IT systems can't cope. Have the figures ever been accurate? 18 months in? I don't think so, even for that exact second when Assford says SNAPSHOT. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 11 hours ago, Cambon said: Sorry, but it is a double ended sword. The vaccine reduces your likelihood of catching it and reduces your likelihood of transmitting it to the tunebof 70%. Those are two separate things of course and need to be looked at separately as well as jointly. Before Delta came along vaccination seems to have reduced the chance of getting infected by about 60% (it varied a bit with vaccine) and of transmitting it once you had caught it by about 60% as well (because of lower viral load). Combined those reduced the chance of catching Covid and passing it on to about a sixth - though even then not enough to provide great security. Delta seems to have reduced both those percentages quite substantially (see the links in the Nature article I linked to before). There's probably still a bit of an effect, but not enough to make much difference, The advantage of vaccination remains, as it has always been, the reduction in serious illness, hospitalisation and deaths. But it's not a magic shield that protects you from everything Covid-related. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 2 hours ago, AlanShimmin said: Didn't they essentially say the ones omitted from the dashboard were (potentially) deaths where covid wasn't the main cause? eg run over by a cyclist within 28 days of testing positive for Covid. No it's the opposite - and in any case the Isle of Man never used that 28 day rule. These are the figures derived from the death certificates and a doctor isn't going to put Covid down on that just because someone had recently tested positive. It doesn't breakdown to whether it was the main cause or not, but we know from England and Wales figures that where Covid is mentioned it's the main cause in 80-90% of cases and of course even in the remainder the person wouldn't have died from the underlying cause if they hadn't also happened to catch Covid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 They're introducing vaccine passports in Scotland from 1st October. One of them is for sporting events if there is 10,000 or more people so a crowd of 9,999 is all good but stick 1 more person in there they all have to be vaccinated. Negative tests will not be accepted so potentially you could be unvaxed and have proof you don't have covid and get refused entry but you could be vaxxed have covid and be allowed in with this passport. It's crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danoo Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 1 hour ago, thommo2010 said: They're introducing vaccine passports in Scotland from 1st October. One of them is for sporting events if there is 10,000 or more people so a crowd of 9,999 is all good but stick 1 more person in there they all have to be vaccinated. Negative tests will not be accepted so potentially you could be unvaxed and have proof you don't have covid and get refused entry but you could be vaxxed have covid and be allowed in with this passport. It's crazy. Which begs the question, why are they really so desperate to introduce these things? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Danoo said: Which begs the question, why are they really so desperate to introduce these things? No idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 26 minutes ago, Danoo said: Which begs the question, why are they really so desperate to introduce these things? Little Jimmy said this morning that with passports it is hoped to get through the winter without damaging the economy further. However, it really does not add up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 Dash board no longer reporting Covid related deaths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danoo Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, Cambon said: Dash board no longer reporting Covid related deaths. Good. Let's move on now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forestboy Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 17 minutes ago, Danoo said: Good. Let's move on now. No. We need to know. if because of Covid or with Covid and some other conditions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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