Danoo Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 1 hour ago, momo65 said: If you don't like opinions move on. However people who think mitigations have a part to play are as entitled to express their opinions as you. Live with it Oh dear. Irony. 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danoo Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 9 minutes ago, momo65 said: Clapping was a pointless activity that those in the NHS neither asked for or wanted. It was an attempt by government to suggest we are all in it together & build community resilience. It wasn't for the benefit of the people being clapped it was for the benefit of the clappers and government. So no worry if that never happend again. We all want this to go away and disappear back to a story for medical journals. Each wave will dig it all up again. As someone else said its like a bouncing ball. Eventually it will stop but it will stop quicker if you damp it down. That's all that is being said You always forget to write 'in my opinion' when you state things like this as fact. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 5 hours ago, cheesypeas said: Our Hermes delivery individual is actually very good. They told us last week that Hermes had told the drivers they were reducing their pay. Our individual said it would make the job no longer viable, which is a great pity. my driver said he hadn't been paid in a few weeks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarley Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 32 minutes ago, WTF said: my driver said he hadn't been paid in a few weeks. Wonder if it's this sort of thing that led to lateral flow tests ending up in a skip? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 4 hours ago, offshoremanxman said: You seem to be the one doing the screaming to be honest. I have offered a rational view which you clearly disagree with. As I have said the UK government knows there is zero appetite for further lockdowns and they won’t be able to enforce them anyway. They are also now over two trillion in debt following a pandemic response which has wrecked parts of the economy. If you think the public will go back to standing in their gardens clapping like goons for a government and a system that has badly let them down again you are sorely misguided I’m afraid. Can we point out that economically, the UK was one of the hardest hit, because they bungled the response so badly during most of 2020? They even had enough uncontrolled spread to foster the Kent variant early this year. It was only the Delta variant from India that took them off top spot for transmission. Repeatedly, the UK government ignored scientific advice for a couple of weeks, flirting with restrictions in the papers, until public opinion swayed enough to support them, and the feeling that Boris had 'tried his damndest to hold those draconian restrictions off' had passed. It was all theatre. Though, to speak conspiratorially, COVID is a nice cover story for the mess that is Brexit. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 5 hours ago, offshoremanxman said: It very much does. There is no public appetite for further restrictions or lockdowns and Government knows that. They won’t happen as the public has had enough and the economy can’t take another hit either and if the vaccination process hasn’t worked then we’re all screwed anyway. They’re now pushing booster vaccine jabs. If three jabs for the vulnerable don’t make them safe then most sane sensible people will work out that it’s all a waste of time and just crack on. Another UK lockdown simply will not happen. If the NHS can’t cope without locking people up inside their own homes again then basically the NHS is the problem. There is huge money to be made in making the NHS look like the problem. You can suddenly start pulling apart the allegedly 'broken' system to be broken up and sold off. Narratives sell, especially in this day and age. The history of the Conservative party trying to move towards privatised healthcare exists. https://www.unitetheunion.org/news-events/news/2021/september/new-health-bill-is-a-smokescreen-for-more-nhs-privatisation-warns-unite/ Quote If the bill becomes law, it would allow for so-called for Alternative Provider Medical Services (APMS) to cherry pick services and undermine current working practices. APMS contracts are not in the interests of either the public or health care professionals. Unite is emailing its members to write their MPs urging them to vote against the bill dubbed as a ‘Trojan Horse’ for profit-hungry private healthcare companies. Jackie Williams added: “APMS contracts have been described by legal professionals as ‘the private sector's gateway to providing primary health care to NHS patients’. They allow companies that are not owned or controlled by medical professionals to run GP surgeries. “This bill is deeply flawed and creates pathways for health systems that are based on models developed by the private insurance industry in the USA and elsewhere, with profit as the key priority. Such an approach would undermine the universal and patient-driven service that we have all cherished since the NHS’ formation in 1948. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 24 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said: Can we point out that economically, the UK was one of the hardest hit, because they bungled the response so badly during most of 2020? They even had enough uncontrolled spread to foster the Kent variant early this year. It was only the Delta variant from India that took them off top spot for transmission. Repeatedly, the UK government ignored scientific advice for a couple of weeks, flirting with restrictions in the papers, until public opinion swayed enough to support them, and the feeling that Boris had 'tried his damndest to hold those draconian restrictions off' had passed. It was all theatre. Though, to speak conspiratorially, COVID is a nice cover story for the mess that is Brexit. Correct, apart from the Brexit bit. Brexit is going to take time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 39 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said: Can we point out that economically, the UK was one of the hardest hit, because they bungled the response so badly during most of 2020? They even had enough uncontrolled spread to foster the Kent variant early this year. It was only the Delta variant from India that took them off top spot for transmission. Repeatedly, the UK government ignored scientific advice for a couple of weeks, flirting with restrictions in the papers, until public opinion swayed enough to support them, and the feeling that Boris had 'tried his damndest to hold those draconian restrictions off' had passed. It was all theatre. Though, to speak conspiratorially, COVID is a nice cover story for the mess that is Brexit. So how did the US, largely under Trump, do so comparatively well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 11 minutes ago, wrighty said: So how did the US, largely under Trump, do so comparatively well? They poured money into the problem. About 2 and a half trillion dollars of it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 (edited) 29 minutes ago, wrighty said: So how did the US, largely under Trump, do so comparatively well? They didn't - even now their death rate (2268/million) is even worse than the UK's (2041/million) - and that's despite the head-start on vaccines. Their death rate is about four times that of the most comparable country - Canada. Edited to add - now realise you were just meaning economically. Basically pouring money into the economy, especially effective when to the less well off. Edited October 24, 2021 by Roger Mexico 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarley Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said: Oh yes it’s all just a conspiracy to privatize the UK health system. That’s the best one I’ve heard yet. The Tories desperately want to privatise the NHS. If you don't realise that you haven't been paying attention. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danoo Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, AcousticallyChallenged said: They poured money into the problem. About 2 and a half trillion dollars of it. Pouring obscene amounts of money into something hardly makes it work better. See the NHS as an example. Edited October 25, 2021 by Danoo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danoo Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 (edited) 45 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said: Oh yes it’s all just a conspiracy to privatize the UK health system. That’s the best one I’ve heard yet. To be fair he/she has a point. It has been an aim of the Tories for a long time to change the health service model. I don't necessarily disagree with it in principle, but as ever in these type of situations crony capitalism will be the winner and not an efficient use of the free market to drive up standards and drive down costs, which is exactly what it needs. Edited October 25, 2021 by Danoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackajah Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 19 hours ago, Ramseyboi said: I see them on social media but never in real life. Who are these people who wants masks, restrictions on Gatherings etc? Mostly people who want to WFH / have a quiet retirement at everyone else's expense. Perhaps they can all club together (one or more of them are in receipt of at least one generous pension) and buy an outer Hebridean island. They can all move there and pull up the drawbridge. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 2 hours ago, Zarley said: The Tories desperately want to privatise the NHS. If you don't realise that you haven't been paying attention. You mean "The Tories desperately want to privatise the NHS but have realised that its a pipedream" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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