IOM Covid removing restrictions

[TheTeapot]

Don't forget, the Ashford: Celebration of the Self tour starts today, I hope some of you Douglas folk go give it some. 

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/ashford-to-tour-island-with-first-talk-today/

[Southfork]

11 minutes ago, TheTeapot said:

Don't forget, the Ashford: Celebration of the Self tour starts today, I hope some of you Douglas folk go give it some. 

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/ashford-to-tour-island-with-first-talk-today/

I’d suggest anyone still waiting for cancer treatment gets down there and really makes his day! 

[Holte End]

8 minutes ago, TheTeapot said:

Don't forget, the Ashford: Celebration of the Self tour starts today, I hope some of you Douglas folk go give it some. 

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/ashford-to-tour-island-with-first-talk-today/

Surely it should be called " Ashford Election Tour ".

Didn't Ashford and Qualye say " the buck stops here"

Well gentlemen it's back.

 

[TheTeapot]

You should definitely go. Talk like you type. 

[Southfork]

8 hours ago, thesultanofsheight said:

but this focus on building a Covid free island bubble now is wrong and actually damaging from a psychological perspective. It’s also virtually impossible to sustain - so it’s an artificial environment. 

The DOI have a plan. 

[Banker]

9 hours ago, dilligaf said:

We have had the same with Spanish banks. Needed to appear at their  branch. But unable to even go to their country

Well flights to Spain are running normally so you can go 

[TheTeapot]

17 minutes ago, Southfork said:

The DOI have a plan. 

It would improve the weather, I'm all for it!

[Gladys]

14 hours ago, thommo2010 said:

Interesting article.

 

Make of it what you will.

 

https://drmalcolmkendrick.org

The stats in all of this have been misleading.  The death from CV in the UK were always skewed by including deaths from any cause after a positive test.  They have now clarified that their mortality figures count anyone dying within  28 days of a positive test. 

As others have said, in the early days, the approach was right as no one knew how it would all unfold.   However, as information has been gathered and the true mortality understood, isn't it time to start to educate and de-escalate the fear?

Governments have got themselves on a hook that it is proving very difficult to get off.

[VinnieK]

17 minutes ago, Gladys said:

As others have said, in the early days, the approach was right as no one knew how it would all unfold.   However, as information has been gathered and the true mortality understood, isn't it time to start to educate and de-escalate the fear?

Governments have got themselves on a hook that it is proving very difficult to get off.

Surely it's not just about the true mortality, which still seems fairly high, but also the pretty high number of hospitalizations that resulted from infection. It's only a few months since hospitals all over the world were running out of oxygen due to the additional demands placed on them. 

 

[Banker]

1 minute ago, VinnieK said:

Surely it's not just about the true mortality, which still seems fairly high, but also the pretty high number of hospitalizations that resulted from infection. It's only a few months since hospitals all over the world were running out of oxygen due to the additional demands placed on them. 

 

The mortality rate & hospitalizations are falling rapidly & in UK the former is nearly zero 

[Apple]

1 hour ago, Southfork said:

The DOI have a plan. 

Springfied? 

You are Bart Simpson and I claim £5.

[VinnieK]

1 minute ago, Banker said:

The mortality rate & hospitalizations are falling rapidly & in UK the former is nearly zero 

Which might not say as much as it may first seem to, since there are still plenty of restrictions in place in the UK and people are still generally exercising a fair bit of caution in how they go about their daily business.

 

 

[Apple]

39 minutes ago, Gladys said:

Governments have got themselves on a hook that it is proving very difficult to get off.

The hospitals are not being overwhelmed now so presumably we can re-start business as usual. With a decent contingency plan in place (which I am sure there is by now) then at least we can open up the local facilities. Not sure yet about off island transfers but they are surely still happening but with extra cautions.

[Gladys]

1 minute ago, VinnieK said:

Which might not say as much as it may first seem to, since there are still plenty of restrictions in place in the UK and people are still generally exercising a fair bit of caution in how they go about their daily business.

 

 

I am neither a statistician nor an epidemiologist, but if you look at the increased number of cases (which itself may not be a reliable figure to use for the reasons explained in Thommo's link) in the UK, possibly due to wider testing than infection, then look at the death rates, then it seems difficult not to conclude that the infection's morbidity is dwindling or never was that great.  

There are suggestions as to why it appeared so high at first, health vulnerability of patients, poor socio-economic factors in the first countries hardest hit, and so on.  The truth is the information is subject to "presentation" and media bias to serve an agenda, whether that agenda is to provide credence to government policy, sell newspapers or what, I don't  know, but I definitely feel we are being fed selective data. 

[Apple]

5 minutes ago, Gladys said:

........it seems difficult not to conclude that the infection's morbidity is dwindling or never was that great.  

Or was it that the treatment now is different. The realisation that steroids has had such an impact seems to have coincided with morbidity changes or is that again part of the reconstructed information that is being put out to ease the pressures.?