John Wright Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 31 minutes ago, thommo2010 said: There was a steps concert on in scotland a couple of weeks ago and the punters needed to have the vaccine passport. A load of them caught covid at the event so really what does the vaccine passport achieve? Didn’t have you down as a STEPS fan, @thommo2010. Hope you’ve got over the covid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramseyboi Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 1 hour ago, emesde said: They certainly do. 😀 WHO said the highly mutated omicron variant of Covid-19 could change the course of the pandemic. The director-general said the exact impact is "still difficult to know," noting that questions about the transmissibility and severity of omicron remain unanswered. Both of those “unknowns” could turn out to be very good news indeed. A more transmissible but less sever strain sound like a dream come true and my gut feeling is that that is exactly what we will get. Even if this isn’t it it could be a step in the right direction. Let it rip. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, John Wright said: Didn’t have you down as a STEPS fan, @thommo2010. Hope you’ve got over the covid. its amazing what you can find you have in common with other people , without steps i wouldn't be able to get into my house. Edited December 10, 2021 by WTF 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, John Wright said: Didn’t have you down as a STEPS fan, @thommo2010. Hope you’ve got over the covid. hahaha not me but it was in the news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 21 hours ago, John Wright said: God, Peter, you're obtuse some times. No one with covid in Nobles ICU, hasnt been for some time and vaccination rates are high The published figures are a bit misleading, or at least difficult to understand. 68,407 people have had a first dose equating to 86.35% 0f the eligible population. 64,875 people went on to have a second dose which is quoted as 90% of the eligible population, but if 68,407 people is 86.35% of the population then 64,875 (fully vaccinated) people actually equates to around 82% rather than the 90% stated. If on the other hand the eligible population for the second dose is just those who have had a first dose (i.e. a different 'eligible population') then the percentage of people having had their second dose should be around 94%. Either way, it isn't very clear exactly what percentage of the eligible population are fully vaccinated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Nom de plume said: I do hope Alf & Co. are liaising with the hospitality sector NOW in regards measures that will be needed to be put in place when the vaccine passport vote is passed in London next week. Some 18 year student barmaid having to go through people’s paperwork or phone prior to pulling a pint is going to cause some drama & will get expensive for the business owner in terms of compliance. It’s estimated the bar / nightclub trade will suffer to the tune of 30-40% … Why should he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raffles Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 14 minutes ago, Gladys said: Why should he? To prepare for the same rules being followed here of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raffles Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 10 hours ago, NoTailT said: We have no omicron and the spread is being managed pretty well from what I can see. Politely: piss off. Sorry gammonboy. But no it makes sense to consider it. Alf has now done so and advised nothing will change. For now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 13 minutes ago, Newbie said: The published figures are a bit misleading, or at least difficult to understand. 68,407 people have had a first dose equating to 86.35% 0f the eligible population. 64,875 people went on to have a second dose which is quoted as 90% of the eligible population, but if 68,407 people is 86.35% of the population then 64,875 (fully vaccinated) people actually equates to around 82% rather than the 90% stated. If on the other hand the eligible population for the second dose is just those who have had a first dose (i.e. a different 'eligible population') then the percentage of people having had their second dose should be around 94%. Either way, it isn't very clear exactly what percentage of the eligible population are fully vaccinated The figures on that page have never added up. You’ll see the eligible population is 79,219. That’s everyone 12 and over. Does that mean that total population is estimated at 90,000? Second doses are only given to 18+ ( I think ). So the eligible population for second doses is 68,407, minus the minors. And so on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 7 minutes ago, John Wright said: The figures on that page have never added up. You’ll see the eligible population is 79,219. That’s everyone 12 and over. Does that mean that total population is estimated at 90,000? Second doses are only given to 18+ ( I think ). So the eligible population for second doses is 68,407, minus the minors. And so on. Yes I appreciate that there is a population of young people who (under current guidance) are only eligible for 1 dose, which makes it difficult to express the figures in a consistent way. But in many ways, the most meaningful figure would be the percentage of the population that have received their full complement of vaccine (whatever that might be). That figure would be interesting when considering things like herd immunity, but it isn't obvious from the figures presented. Given that the vaccine doesn't appear to have much effect on reducing transmission in those vaccinated people who get covid in spite of their vaccinations, herd immunity can really only be achieved to any degree by reducing the number of people catching it in the first place, which the vaccines will do. In truth it is unclear whether herd immunity can ever be achieved, but if it can it seems likely that the percentage of the population needing to be immune will be very high, possibly around 95%. With that in mind, the difference between say 82% of the population being fully vaccinated and 90% being fully vaccinated is very significant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danoo Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 1 hour ago, NoTailT said: I start to get the feeling that Omicron is our plateau. The variant that gets us to the 'it'll be the new seasonal flu'. Something we can accept in terms of managed health risk. Still needs a bit more time to see the data, but it's looking that way. All the evidence seems to point that way. Which makes it all the more baffling why we have ramped up mitigations when every bit of available data points to a mild mutation and less chance of developing illness. Bonkers. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danoo Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Nom de plume said: Is there a shred of evidence anywhere that vaccine passports will stop the spread of Covid? AFAIK, they have been used in Scotland for a number of weeks now and case numbers have not significantly decreased. The passports are going through regardless. They have been champing at the bit to get this type of societal control in place for a long time. It's clear it's not for health purposes, any fool can see that now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nom de plume Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 10 minutes ago, Danoo said: The passports are going through regardless. They have been champing at the bit to get this type of societal control in place for a long time. It's clear it's not for health purposes, any fool can see that now. I'm afraid the world is awash with fools when it comes to Covid. The brainwashing & conditioning to get us to this point has been nothing short of sensational. Big Pharma will dine out on Covid for years to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nom de plume Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 59 minutes ago, Gladys said: Why should he? He doesn't need to of course BUT it would be prudent to perhaps at least warn the sector that they should prepare to initiate ID & Covid Pass entry checks at their establishments given we are 'highly likely' to follow Westminster law. Who'd have thought you'd need a mask, driving licence and Covid pass just to sit and have a Flat White. The world is proper madly off it's tits. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 18 minutes ago, Nom de plume said: The world is proper madly off it's tits. Well, at least you won't be lacking in company then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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