Gladys Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Roger Mexico said: More fool you. Do you know where that cat's been? If you can get a mask for a cat's arse that would be handy, as that is the usual presentation of my bunch. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyingfemme Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 1 hour ago, AcousticallyChallenged said: The real answer for the UK is in ensuring the NHS isn’t operating at 95% capacity at any given time, and it can handle surges in demand. The truth is that’d be expensive and is therefore unlikely to happen. The NHS is very, very expensive. The solution is to make sure that value for money is being delivered and stop pretending that announcing spending increases actually does anything useful. Rubbing somebody down with a £50 note isn't going to cure covid or cancer. What is required is a well-considered, long term plan to increase staffing (will require starting with teenagers to tell them about careers available), provide good training and better wages for the staff they do have. They could make a start by sorting out the appalling mess that is "bank staff" (more money to staff and none to middle men), beat procurement into shape and make managers manage. When they have more staff, expand the hours that expensive kit is used by running more shifts. In other words - the sort of things that most provate businesses do as a matter of course! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danoo Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 14 minutes ago, Flyingfemme said: The NHS is very, very expensive. The solution is to make sure that value for money is being delivered and stop pretending that announcing spending increases actually does anything useful. Rubbing somebody down with a £50 note isn't going to cure covid or cancer. What is required is a well-considered, long term plan to increase staffing (will require starting with teenagers to tell them about careers available), provide good training and better wages for the staff they do have. They could make a start by sorting out the appalling mess that is "bank staff" (more money to staff and none to middle men), beat procurement into shape and make managers manage. When they have more staff, expand the hours that expensive kit is used by running more shifts. In other words - the sort of things that most provate businesses do as a matter of course! But how are they going to deliver world class health services without hundreds of diversity managers/supervisors/co-ordinators and a whole army of pen pushers to administrate it. One of my old pals is a GP over in the UK and thinks it's an absolute joke he is being told what his professional priorities are via an 8pm briefing by some idiot on the TV. The whole thing is a circus and the further the island can distance itself from that sorry shower of shite over the water the better. However we'll probably just copy everything and make a manx pig's ear out of it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarley Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 6 hours ago, Cambon said: Correct. At that time Nightingale hospitals were being set up all over the place for fear of the NHS being overwhelmed. If omicron is really as bad and vaccine evading as we are being lead to believe, and there is fear of the NHS being overwhelmed again, why are they not setting up Nightingale hospitals again? In fact, they are taking more NHS staff out of hospitals to increase booster jabs. It really does not make sense. They never really used the Nightingale hospitals though. Couldn't staff them. No point in setting them up again as they still can't staff them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, Zarley said: They never really used the Nightingale hospitals though. Couldn't staff them. No point in setting them up again as they still can't staff them. They could have staffed them if necessary. There were and are plenty of people willing to volunteer. Just as they did for the vaccine campaign. However, I think the U.K. Government know that the NHS will not be overwhelmed by omicron and are using it as a big stick to try to get people boosted and vaccinated. Not saying it is wrong to encourage that, but scaremongering at this stage is simply wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarley Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 13 minutes ago, Cambon said: They could have staffed them if necessary. There were and are plenty of people willing to volunteer. Just as they did for the vaccine campaign. However, I think the U.K. Government know that the NHS will not be overwhelmed by omicron and are using it as a big stick to try to get people boosted and vaccinated. Not saying it is wrong to encourage that, but scaremongering at this stage is simply wrong. It's a lack of critical care nurses. They're highly specialised and no doubt you cannot have retired a few years ago and just walk back in as a volunteer without an intensive refresher course. Who's going to retrain them when presumably, qualified trainers are also thin on the ground? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/21/nurse-shortage-causes-nightingale-hospital-to-turn-away-patients Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramseyboi Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 (edited) With two suspected omnicron cases here who were apparently out and about between travelling and being tested, when would we expect to see the close contact test positive. All the close contact have been doing daily LFTs (by all accounts for a few days before the official announcement it might be here) so surely we should start seeing a few more soon? Surely their households are all infected? Edited December 13, 2021 by Ramseyboi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Blonde Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, Ramseyboi said: With two suspected omnicron cases here who were apparently out and about between travelling and being tested, when would we expect to see the close contact test positive. All the close contact have been doing daily LFTs (by all accounts for a few days before the official announcement it might be here) so surely we should start seeing a few more soon? Surely their households are all infected? When did you sign up to the doom coven? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 29 minutes ago, Zarley said: It's a lack of critical care nurses. They're highly specialised and no doubt you cannot have retired a few years ago and just walk back in as a volunteer without an intensive refresher course. Who's going to retrain them when presumably, qualified trainers are also thin on the ground? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/21/nurse-shortage-causes-nightingale-hospital-to-turn-away-patients Sure, but the type of people required to staff Nightingale hospitals don't need to be critical card nurses. Those nurses are needed for intensive care in proper hospitals. The type of patients in Nightingale hospitals are not that ill, and under observation. Possibly on oxygen. Anything more serious would be in a proper hospital. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarley Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 9 minutes ago, Cambon said: Sure, but the type of people required to staff Nightingale hospitals don't need to be critical card nurses. Those nurses are needed for intensive care in proper hospitals. The type of patients in Nightingale hospitals are not that ill, and under observation. Possibly on oxygen. Anything more serious would be in a proper hospital. You obviously didn't read the link I provided. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Most people don't on here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Terms like doom coven always tickle me, because after all, witchcraft was usually an accusation by those afraid or frustrated but lacking an actual understanding. Bad storm? Must be a witch. Bad harvest? Must be a witch. etc. etc. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Blonde Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said: Terms like doom coven always tickle me, because after all, witchcraft was usually an accusation by those afraid or frustrated but lacking an actual understanding. Bad storm? Must be a witch. Bad harvest? Must be a witch. etc. etc. Well it's good that it tickles you. But coven is simply a word that refers to a collection of individuals. a collection of individuals with similar interests or activities The doom coven is just a rag tag bunch of people who look for any negative angle they can find where Covid is concerned. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 23 minutes ago, Zarley said: You obviously didn't read the link I provided. Actually, I did read most of it, and yes, people were not admitted because they were too ill for Nightingale hospital. They needed proper full care hospitals. Critical care nurses were at the full care hospitals, quite rightly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gloverlover Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 46 minutes ago, James Blonde said: Well it's good that it tickles you. But coven is simply a word that refers to a collection of individuals. a collection of individuals with similar interests or activities The doom coven is just a rag tag bunch of people who look for any negative angle they can find where Covid is concerned. Yes we've had Bonkers Burrows (both Mr & Mrs) and Dudley Bum Gravy all over Twitter this weekend Tweeting their rather unique form of mass hysteria about Omicron. It takes a rather unique people to try to spread so much fear and bad news at once. If omicron isn't the major doomsday scenario they're all fortelling you do worry that they will be hosting some sort on Jonestown Moonie like mass suicide event over the Christmas period where they all go to Hango Hill and drink a poisoned cup of Horlicks at the stroke of midnight when the Reckoning clearly hasn't happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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