IOM Covid removing restrictions

[Danoo]

1 hour ago, Annoymouse said:

Not really, it was their choice to do an LFT, it was their choice to report the positive LFT in order to get a PCR test and they knew a positive test would mean they would be trapped for 10 days, how is any of that the governments fault?

 

Infantilism, as one poster pointed out the other day.

We have reached the stage where individuals no longer want to own any type of responsibility anymore. The past 18 months have reduced a large proportion of the population to children again. Needing constant guidance and acknowledgement from the nanny state in order to function. I see it every day. If we got told today to stop wearing masks they would immediately ditch them but if on Monday they retracted and said back on again they would, without question. 

This whole pandemic has been a social scientists wet dream.

[Ramseyboi]

1 hour ago, Zarley said:

Were those colleagues amongst those in the maskless offices you've been visiting lately?   

No.

Isnt every office massless?  I haven’t heard of any where people are sitting in masks all day.

[Utah 01]

5 hours ago, Ramseyboi said:

How long do we keep this madness going on for

For as long as idiots keep testing themselves.

[Ramseyboi]

7 minutes ago, Utah 01 said:

For as long as idiots keep testing themselves.

I am testing myself as a lot of people I know have tested positive.

No chance I would report it if positive though.  Obviously I would take sensible precautions if I had it but I am not staying at home for 10 days.

[James Blonde]

5 hours ago, Ramseyboi said:

This is insane.  How long do we keep this madness going on for.  They are going to kill businesses with this nonsense.

An interesting article from the BMJ 

https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj-2021-068094

 

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History suggests that the end of the pandemic will not simply follow the attainment of herd immunity or an official declaration, but rather it will occur gradually and unevenly as societies cease to be all consumed by the pandemic’s shocking metrics. Pandemic ending is more of a question of lived experience, and thus is more of a sociological phenomenon than a biological one. And thus dashboards—which do not measure mental health, educational impact, and the denial of close social bonds—are not the tool that will tell us when the pandemic will end. Indeed, considering how societies have come to use dashboards, they may be a tool that helps prevent a return to normal.

 

[AcousticallyChallenged]

1 hour ago, Danoo said:

Infantilism, as one poster pointed out the other day.

We have reached the stage where individuals no longer want to own any type of responsibility anymore. The past 18 months have reduced a large proportion of the population to children again. Needing constant guidance and acknowledgement from the nanny state in order to function. I see it every day. If we got told today to stop wearing masks they would immediately ditch them but if on Monday they retracted and said back on again they would, without question. 

This whole pandemic has been a social scientists wet dream.

Most people are taking agency and their own authority over the situation, I don't think it's quite as infantile as you make it out to be. The majority of people are acting and behaving based on their view and assessments of personal risk, and the risk to those around them.

Many will take lateral flows before they go and see 90-year-old vulnerable granny, and will wear a mask in the shops where it is asked or advised. They'll take their jabs when offered too. But they'll also quite happily be going out for meals or pile into pubs and generally cracking on.

People seek clear guidance from the Government, because, frankly, it has been an inconsistent, poorly articulated mess. People want faith in their leaders decisions, faith that a badly-read speech with baked-in jokes from a blustering man in an ill-fitting suit often didn't provide.

[AcousticallyChallenged]

4 minutes ago, James Blonde said:

An interesting article from the BMJ 

https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj-2021-068094

There's an interesting response on the article from Professor James A Dickinson too.

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Dear Editor
The authors try to obtain lessons for the COVID-19 epidemic from the ending of past epidemics. They describe previous influenza epidemics that slowly faded out. But perhaps a better model is the polio epidemics of the 1950s, which admittedly came in summer waves, rather than winter respiratory epidemics, but were ended by vaccines. Perhaps we can learn more from that success, so the authors might revisit that history.

https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj-2021-068094/rapid-responses

 

[James Blonde]

7 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said:

There's an interesting response on the article from Professor James A Dickinson too.

 

Interesting response. We'll have to see. 

The point about the dashboards remains though. The pandemic will only end when other news takes over. 

 

 

[Andy Onchan]

12 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said:

People seek clear guidance from the Government, because, frankly, it has been an inconsistent, poorly articulated mess. People want faith in their leaders decisions, faith that a badly-read speech with baked-in jokes from a blustering man in an ill-fitting suit often didn't provide.

Was Howard that bad?

[James Blonde]

15 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

Was Howard that bad?

Yes. 

[Andy Onchan]

20 minutes ago, James Blonde said:

Yes. 

It was, of course, rhetorical!

[Danoo]

1 hour ago, James Blonde said:

Interesting response. We'll have to see. 

The point about the dashboards remains though. The pandemic will only end when other news takes over. 

 

 

And when the media are on the end of the government teat to the tune of millions of ££'s to continue to keep it front and centre there will be no other news. Covid is now life.

[Roger Mexico]

1 hour ago, James Blonde said:

The point about the dashboards remains though. The pandemic will only end when other news takes over. 

This is delusional.  Do you really think the the virus is reading the front page of the Daily Mail and is going to slink off in disappointment like a C-list celebrity if it doesn't find its name there?

[James Blonde]

13 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

This is delusional.  Do you really think the the virus is reading the front page of the Daily Mail and is going to slink off in disappointment like a C-list celebrity if it doesn't find its name there?

Haha you clearly don't understand. Previous pandemics have just faded away as there were no dashboards to keep them in the news. That's not the case now and the doomers will do all they can to keep it prominent. 

As for slinking away? Once it evolves into a seasonal flu like the other coronaviruses then yeah, it will just disappear into the background and just be 'another' cold/flu. 

How are you expecting it to go - will it shake hands with Joe Biden, say so long and thanks for all the fish, and magically levitate off into space?

Edited December 17, 2021 by James Blonde

[John Wright]

27 minutes ago, James Blonde said:

Haha you clearly don't understand. Previous pandemics have just faded away as there were no dashboards to keep them in the news. That's not the case now and the doomers will do all they can to keep it prominent. 

As for slinking away? Once it evolves into a seasonal flu like the other coronaviruses then yeah, it will just disappear into the background and just be 'another' cold/flu. 

How are you expecting it to go - will it shake hands with Joe Biden, say so long and thanks for all the fish, and magically levitate off into space?

I’m afraid it’s you who lacks understanding.

Whether or not other viral epidemics have run their course, it’s nothing to do with dashboards. It’s to do with other factors, such as medical science and social factors like lifestyle, housing, socialising and even the presence of vulnerable groups, who, in previous times would not have been around. 

Your lack of understanding about the different types of virus causing “seasonal” flu, and a coronavirus is staggering. 

The difference between flu and COVID-19 is in their causative agents. Flu viruses belong to a virus family known as Orthomyxoviridae. COVID-19 is caused by a coronavirus named SARS-CoV-2, which is  in the virus family Coronaviridae. Both families consist of RNA viruses, but they differ with regard to the protein layer that encapsulates the RNA.

More specifically, flu viruses express two surface antigens (foreign proteins)—hemagglutinin (H) and neuraminidase (N)—which trigger an immune response. The exact form of these antigens changes every now and then, resulting in the periodic emergence of new, more virulent influenza viruses with the potential to cause a pandemic.

The surface of SARS-CoV-2 does not have these antigens. Rather, similar to other types of coronaviruses, like the common cold, its outer surface is studded with glycoprotein spikes, which give such viruses a crownlike, or coronal, appearance. Spike glycoproteins are responsible for triggering the immune response, and they carry out the critical function of enabling the coronavirus particle to enter cells, where it then replicates.