IOM Covid removing restrictions

[wrighty]

1 hour ago, quilp said:

As you're on wrighty, have you a view on the aspiration theory with the vaccine application? 

Don’t know anything about “aspiration theory”. What do you mean, exactly? I know there have been mutterings about whether or not the syringe should be aspirated prior to vaccine injection, but I’m not sure how relevant it is to anything. 

[quilp]

So you do know. 

[Gladys]

14 hours ago, Gladys said:

I would hope it is "get vaccinated, twats".

Which is what it does say, albeit couched in more diplomatic terms, and test before you shop and meet with friends. 

[code99]

14 hours ago, Roxanne said:

I’ve got an even better idea. Why don’t we all go out and demand that care workers’ wages are increased considerably. I think that would be damn sight more use than banging a pan. 

A friend’s mother has Alzheimer’s and she’s finding it increasingly difficult to cope with her at home. She asked a local nursing home with a specialised altzhiemers wing for a quote and was told it was £3600 a week. 

The staff, mainly foreign workers are paid minimum wage. 

It stinks. 

Of course, you are absolutely correct. I had exactly the same feeling about all of that collective ‘clapping’, which went on endlessly, and was, IMHO, little more than a cynical (government-orchestrated) ploy to temporarily lift people’s spirits, but never ‘putting food on the table’. The health and care workers’ jobs are essential for the society to function, and yet care workers are among worst paid people in our society. Many of the former owners of private nursing homes became multi-millionaires and some of them settled in the places like the Isle of Man, sold their businesses in places like the UK and paid minimum tax.

The quote for £3,600/week (nearly £200,000/year) is an eye watering sum for most ordinary residents. Presumably this is a privately run enterprise. Much of this could purely be profiteering from very vulnerable desperate people. Or are the costs of running such places really very high? Just wondering, but - if they did pay their workers decent wages, then the £3,600/week would be even higher?

As I said in a different post, taxpayers must pay for the essential services. The problem we have is that once the GE has been held the taxpayers have absolutely no influence over how taxpayers’ money is prioritised/spent.

I like your idea of people demanding better pay for care workers, but where do we start and what would be the consequences of doing that?

[thommo2010]

I went to the cinema last night to watch the new Spiderman film, was jam packed so at least the palace is doing a roaring trade. 

[wrighty]

4 hours ago, quilp said:

So you do know. 

I don't know what aspect is considered 'a theory'.  A theory is something that is tested by experiment, and either supported or refuted on the basis of results from those experiments.  Is your 'aspiration theory' that vaccination works better if the plunger is aspirated first, or that it doesn't, or that complications are more likely, or not...

I genuinely don't know what your angle is when just using the term 'aspiration theory' - it's not something I've seen in the medical press for example.

[Max Power]

15 hours ago, finlo said:

The one I'm thinking of you got stabbed on the forearm with some multi pronged thing a week in advance and if they stayed red  you didn't require it or something like that.

That's it, I thought there was a pre-test and it all came flooding back!

[Andy Onchan]

15 hours ago, finlo said:

The one I'm thinking of you got stabbed on the forearm with some multi pronged thing a week in advance and if they stayed red  you didn't require it or something like that.

That's the one... it was like the Spanish Inquisition.

[ManxTaxPayer]

2 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

That's the one... it was like the Spanish Inquisition.

Unexpected?

[quilp]

13 hours ago, wrighty said:

Don’t know anything about “aspiration theory”. What do you mean, exactly? I know there have been mutterings about whether or not the syringe should be aspirated prior to vaccine injection, but I’m not sure how relevant it is to anything. 

An "important scientific paper" was released on 3rd December regarding this and I wondered what you thought. That's all. There's a couple of other papers out there also...

 

 

[Andy Onchan]

12 minutes ago, ManxTaxPayer said:

Unexpected?

Certainly the really red sore bit was!

[Max Power]

An interesting little Twitter exchange between Professor Graham Medley who creates Covid models for SAGE, and Spectator editor Fraser Nelson.

It seems that government policy isn't following the science, it's the other way round!

[John Wright]

35 minutes ago, Max Power said:

An interesting little Twitter exchange between Professor Graham Medley who creates Covid models for SAGE, and Spectator editor Fraser Nelson.

It seems that government policy isn't following the science, it's the other way round!

Except that isn’t what the exchange actually says or means, except in the minds of ( generally ) right wing deniers and anti restrictionists. Those who couldn’t give a damn about community responsibility from their “I’m all right Jack” positions of privilege

You don’t model for an option that would require no action. It informs nothing and wastes time/money/resources. We all know the answer to the what if of low virulence.  No restrictions are required.

Modellers are asked to model a number of scenarios relevant to matters that concern government, numbers in hospital, ICU, deaths, the effect on essential services if employees are off ill or isolating.

To portray it otherwise is just another conspiracy theory from people who do know better but are trying to score political points and make political capital.

[thommo2010]

10 minutes ago, John Wright said:

Except that isn’t what the exchange actually says or means, except in the minds of ( generally ) right wing deniers and anti restrictionists. Those who couldn’t give a damn about community responsibility from their “I’m all right Jack” positions of privilege

You don’t model for an option that would require no action. It informs nothing and wastes time/money/resources. We all know the answer to the what if of low virulence.  No restrictions are required.

Modellers are asked to model a number of scenarios relevant to matters that concern government, numbers in hospital, ICU, deaths, the effect on essential services if employees are off ill or isolating.

To portray it otherwise is just another conspiracy theory from people who do know better but are trying to score political points and make political capital.

The funny thing is though over the past couple of years those labelled conspiracy theorists seem to have got quite a bit spot on. 

[Quality]

19 minutes ago, thommo2010 said:

The funny thing is though over the past couple of years those labelled conspiracy theorists seem to have got quite a bit spot on. 

Can you give us an example Thommo? Where someone labelled a conspiracy theorist in the last couple of years was found to be spot on? One example will do, but more would be better...