IOM Covid removing restrictions

[pongo]

1 hour ago, pongo said:

She is an expert in this area and has carefully tried to explain to you why "testing on arrival" might not be the most effective approach here.

Looking forward to you properly addressing these points @Banker .

[Southfork]

2 hours ago, dilligaf said:

Only on Manx forums could a highly qualified biochemist have her knowledge belittled by simple folk who may think they are clever in their own back yard. FFS. Take a step back and think about what you are trying to say.

I don’t believe she is a biochemist. Her online biography states that she trained as a molecular microbiologist, developing diagnostic assays for use in a commercial/statutory testing lab and then moved into bioinformatics with the emergence of next-generation sequencing. Her research interests are said to involve genomic epidemiology, biodiversity informatics and improving metagenomic and metabarcoding methods for species detection. As I understand it biochemistry has more to do with the chemical reactions that happen within the body. Whereas Molecular Biology focuses more on the structure and the relationships between four molecules (proteins, lipids, carbohydrates and nucleic acids) in the body.

She is clearly a very bright lady nonetheless but does not seem to be a biochemist. 

Edited September 9, 2020 by Southfork

[bonatti]

4 hours ago, pongo said:

But the IOM is testing people. As deemed necessary.

Do you believe that people should be tested on arrival - ie do you disagree with the informed post I quoted above?

What is deemed necessary? They are not testing ALL key workers who arrive from U.K. on arrival or after seven days.That is a fact. Only those they choose to test. Why is that?

Is it because they don't have the capability? 

[Roger Mexico]

56 minutes ago, bonatti said:

What is deemed necessary? They are not testing ALL key workers who arrive from U.K. on arrival or after seven days.That is a fact. Only those they choose to test. Why is that?

Is it because they don't have the capability? 

It shouldn't be.  Tests since the end of July have been running at around 60 per day[1], which with a capacity of 200 per day would give 840 a week.  With only 600 supposed to be arriving each week that should be covered, though it might mean mean some delays if some days of the week were much busier than others.

[1]  Current tests 10,647 less tests as at 30 July of 8,222 spread over 41 days.

[Apple]

3 hours ago, Southfork said:

I don’t believe she is a biochemist. Her online biography states that she trained as a molecular microbiologist, developing diagnostic assays for use in a commercial/statutory testing lab and then moved into bioinformatics with the emergence of next-generation sequencing. Her research interests are said to involve genomic epidemiology, biodiversity informatics and improving metagenomic and metabarcoding methods for species detection. As I understand it biochemistry has more to do with the chemical reactions that happen within the body. Whereas Molecular Biology focuses more on the structure and the relationships between four molecules (proteins, lipids, carbohydrates and nucleic acids) in the body.

She is clearly a very bright lady nonetheless but does not seem to be a biochemist. 

Still knows a damn site more than me. I trust her judgement. 

 

[thommo2010]

A decent article in.my opinion explains the rise in cases 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54064347

[Apple]

Operation Moonshot.

In the UK, they are looking at 500,000 tests a day by the end of October. 

Predicting system of swabs or saliva and can turn round results in 90 or even 20 minutes, millions of test processed every day.

Could be ready by Spring next year and would help to avoid another lockdown.

BMA dubious.

Taken from BBC news.

So, we will have wait for a vaccine and / or a new system of testing, unless something else happens. Can't really see us doing anything drastically different from the UK till then.

Edited September 10, 2020 by Apple

[Banker]

6 hours ago, Roger Mexico said:

It shouldn't be.  Tests since the end of July have been running at around 60 per day[1], which with a capacity of 200 per day would give 840 a week.  With only 600 supposed to be arriving each week that should be covered, though it might mean mean some delays if some days of the week were much busier than others.

[1]  Current tests 10,647 less tests as at 30 July of 8,222 spread over 41 days.

Whereas Jersey can do 2000 per day and Guernsey are building infrastructure to do similar for next phase.

whilst we can argue about when easing should start there should be no argument that IOM should be investing in infrastructure to be able to do similar.

also the lack of any real plan to get out of this is concerning to many on both sides of argument 

[Nom de plume]

4 minutes ago, Banker said:

Whereas Jersey can do 2000 per day and Guernsey are building infrastructure to do similar for next phase.

whilst we can argue about when easing should start there should be no argument that IOM should be investing in infrastructure to be able to do similar.

also the lack of any real plan to get out of this is concerning to many on both sides of argument 

I am led to believe there will be some interesting questions coming up in Tynwald for answer by HQ & DA over this whole matter.

[Banker]

5 minutes ago, Nom de plume said:

I am led to believe there will be some interesting questions coming up in Tynwald for answer by HQ & DA over this whole matter.

Good, someone in Guernsey taking legal action over states policy which is not as repressive as ours.https://guernseypress.com/news/2020/09/10/repressive-quarantine-faces-legal-challenge/

[Happier diner]

54 minutes ago, Apple said:

Operation Moonshot.

In the UK, they are looking at 500,000 tests a day by the end of October. 

Predicting system of swabs or saliva and can turn round results in 90 or even 20 minutes, millions of test processed every day.

Could be ready by Spring next year and would help to avoid another lockdown.

BMA dubious.

Taken from BBC news.

So, we will have wait for a vaccine and / or a new system of testing, unless something else happens. Can't really see us doing anything drastically different from the UK till then.

His speach reminded me of the David Essex (The Preacher) song from War of the Worlds

 

 

[thesultanofsheight]

25 minutes ago, Banker said:

whilst we can argue about when easing should start there should be no argument that IOM should be investing in infrastructure to be able to do similar. 

Our official line seems to have become in the last few months borders open next March. We seem to have no intention of investing into more proactive testing and no intention of even staffing up the coronavirus team so that more proactive checks can be done on those in self isolation so the process still remains largely voluntary. So the official line seems to be - do nothing it’s too much effort to do anything else and we might get criticized. It’s what the IOM public sector has lived by for 30 years now. 

Edited September 10, 2020 by thesultanofsheight

[Nom de plume]

5 minutes ago, thesultanofsheight said:

Our official line seems to have become in the last few months borders open next March. We seem to have no intention of investing into more proactive testing and no intention of even staffing up the coronavirus team so that more proactive checks can be done on those in self isolation so the process still remains largely voluntary. So the official line seems to be - do nothing it’s too much effort to do anything else and we might get criticized. It’s what the IOM public sector has lived by for 30 years now. 

Pretty much 100%.

Lets stick a couple of nurses in a scrutineering bay up the Grannie & erect a few barriers.

Test the odd key worker & we can ride this out until 2024.

[thommo2010]

1 hour ago, Apple said:

Operation Moonshot.

In the UK, they are looking at 500,000 tests a day by the end of October. 

Predicting system of swabs or saliva and can turn round results in 90 or even 20 minutes, millions of test processed every day.

Could be ready by Spring next year and would help to avoid another lockdown.

BMA dubious.

Taken from BBC news.

So, we will have wait for a vaccine and / or a new system of testing, unless something else happens. Can't really see us doing anything drastically different from the UK till then.

Should be called operation smoke and mirrors. The news this morning were saying this could cost 100 billion to implement.

With tests giving out false positives and negatives how reliable will it be?

Edited September 10, 2020 by thommo2010

[thesultanofsheight]

5 minutes ago, Nom de plume said:

Pretty much 100%.

Lets stick a couple of nurses in a scrutineering bay up the Grannie & erect a few barriers.

Test the odd key worker & we can ride this out until 2024.

The more you don’t test the more likely it is that we stay “Covid free”

Be interesting to see how many pay the £50 as even that is designed to encourage people not to ask to be tested. The more tested the more potential asymptotic cases will be thrown out of the system in covid free IOM. 

Edited September 10, 2020 by thesultanofsheight