IOM Covid removing restrictions

[hissingsid]

It was quite lengthy but informed and  I am quite lethargic after all the Christmas merriment 😆 .    I would prefer to work for a tenner an hour in the daytime than £11.75  at night but it is each to their own…..

 

[pongo]

2 hours ago, Roxanne said:

The drop in immigration since the B word will have a knock on effect eventually. And eventually, when staff become more difficult to recruit the hourly rate will rise

Rising wages will not fix the shortage of people. The employable were already employed.

It would be great to see the retirement age rise to help counter the people shortage - but only for those who voted in favour of fewer people.

[CallMeCurious]

33 minutes ago, pongo said:

Rising wages will not fix the shortage of people. The employable were already employed.

It would be great to see the retirement age rise to help counter the people shortage - but only for those who voted in favour of fewer people.

By that logic, anyone who didn't vote for the current government shouldn't get welfare, pay taxes or use any government services. You vote, you lose and then spend the next decade whining about it. It's nearly 2022 and still remoaning

Maybe this isn't just all about the wages but also the conditions? Not every business in hospitality is struggling, not evey pub is close to closing. It could be like getting out of a toxic relationship... when you are in it (despite what everyrone else is saying) it is is hard to leave but after an enforced break with room to breathe you see it for what it was and realise you can do so much better.

 

 

[pongo]

Those who supported it need to own it  @CallMeCurious

[pongo]

44 minutes ago, Roxanne said:

who knows, maybe if it rises high enough people doing shit jobs might be tempted to move career. 

... creating a shortage of people in other sectors and ultimately further fuelling inflation. Causing everyone else to demand higher wages. A vicious circle which always undermines the short term benefits of any pay increase.

Giving into populist demands is what got Britain into such a mess in the years running up to 1979. Over the past few years the London government has seemed determined to undo the good work of the past 40 years.

[Shake me up Judy]

Market forces have got f*ck all to do with it when you can use agencies to bring in care workers from the Philippines to staff Manx care homes. Globalism.

[Andy Onchan]

37 minutes ago, Shake me up Judy said:

Market forces have got f*ck all to do with it when you can use agencies to bring in care workers from the Philippines to staff Manx care homes. Globalism.

Much of the day-to-day ward and patient maintenance/care at Nobles wouldn't exist if it wasn't for our Philippine friends.

[Annoymouse]

1 hour ago, Shake me up Judy said:

Market forces have got f*ck all to do with it when you can use agencies to bring in care workers from the Philippines to staff Manx care homes. Globalism.

They were seen as cheap labour but that back fired big time, they were originally willing to work for relatively poor wages but now they’ve established themselves they also want higher wages to match and who can blame them? 

[Danoo]

28 minutes ago, Annoymouse said:

They were seen as cheap labour but that back fired big time, they were originally willing to work for relatively poor wages but now they’ve established themselves they also want higher wages to match and who can blame them? 

However there is an endless supply of labour in the world for a small island like ours. We only need tens of thousands in a planet of nearly 8 billion. We have full control over our work permit system and can simplify it if we wish. The fact we choose not to is not entirely due to Brexit but to an outdated mindset that is holding us back at a time when it needs to be as flexible as possible. 

[Roger Mexico]

7 minutes ago, Danoo said:

However there is an endless supply of labour in the world for a small island like ours. We only need tens of thousands in a planet of nearly 8 billion. We have full control over our work permit system and can simplify it if we wish. The fact we choose not to is not entirely due to Brexit but to an outdated mindset that is holding us back at a time when it needs to be as flexible as possible. 

That's nonsense.  We only have control over who we can employ from those who are already legally in the UK.  We have no say over whether people can be admitted to there.  And the UK already has its own labour shortages.

Edited to add: We can import people directly but have to do so under the same rules that the UK sets and under their control.

Edited December 27, 2021 by Roger Mexico

[Danoo]

9 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

That's nonsense.  We only have control over who we can employ from those who are already legally in the UK.  We have no say over whether people can be admitted to there.  And the UK already has its own labour shortages.

Edited to add: We can import people directly but have to do so under the same rules that the UK sets and under their control.

I personally know of a number of examples of employers taking on people from outside of here/UK the past 12 months. The system is there to be gamed, it's not this insurmountable obstacle you seem to suggest. It's a basic set of checks and balances that can be worked around to get the desired solution. 

[Max Power]

I think the world has gone barmy, this poor woman has taken leave of her senses!

[Gladys]

50 minutes ago, Max Power said:

I think the world has gone barmy, this poor woman has taken leave of her senses!

Was she flight crew?  

[WTF]

5 minutes ago, Gladys said:

Was she flight crew?  

on aeroflot 

[Shake me up Judy]

She was arrested on arrival. The male passenger had been eating.